Advise for selling estate guitars

jdier

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Hey, wondering if anyone here has ever worked on an estate sale of guitars? I have a cousin who passed who lived across the country from me. I did not know him that well, and certainly did not know that he has amassed a collection of over 25 guitars with prices from $1000 - $5000. Martins, Parkers, G&L's, Fenders, Ricks, Guilds... Acoustics, Electrics, Basses and amps.

Crazy thing is, he did not play. Most of them are pretty much brand new condition and have original paperwork and documentation.

His sister has reached out to me for help selling.

My advise was to go to a reputable guitar shop or dealer (they are located in Houston) but I guess his desire was for them to be sold on the open market because "the guitar shops will rip you off."

If I lived in Houston, I would assess and come up with a plan for each myself, but I am not. They are not guitar people and I want to help as much as I can.

I know how to sell here, on ebay, on craigslist, at a music store... but this is different because I cannot be there.

Wondering if anyone else has ever been through something like this and is able to provide some suggestions or share some advise.

As always, thank you in advance for taking time to reply.

Jim
 
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Depends on whether the goal is to get the most money or to do it with the least hassle.
 
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Great point. I am sorry. They are looking for the most value.

I lead with, go to the shop that sold him most of the guitars and strike a reasonable deal, but his wishes were for them to get the most the can. I think this is a bit like what he left behind for his family and he wants the highest dollar value.
 
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If they want the most money, going to a shop is the worst option, unless it's a consignment deal, in which case you could probably come close or even beat the hit that you'd take from eBay/Reverb/etc and Paypal, all while pushing the bulk of the work off onto someone else.

For the highest selling price, you'll be hard pressed to beat doing it via online auction. eBay has the largest potential market, but you'll have to weigh that against the listing and selling fees. Also, once you get paid (almost certainly via PayPal) they will take a cut too. It adds up. You can bypass *part* of that equation by researching individual values, pricing aggressively, and listing on trade forums like the one here (and many, many other guitar forums). Paypal still gets their cut, but you've cut out the auctioneer. On the flip side, you may have left some money on the table by not forcing your buyers to compete with each other.

Everything is a trade off.
 
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Sell them on eBay.

I'd say, if it were possible, take 2 weeks off of work and go down there, get everything sorted and list them all. Make sure you don't do auctions, just "Buy It Nows". Make sure that you select the "immediate payment via PayPal required" checkbox to avoid hassles. You'll get the actual value out of each piece that way.
 
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I'd try Reverb, probably in addition to eBay.
I'd say, if it were possible, take 2 weeks off of work and go down there, get everything sorted and list them all.
What's two weeks of your time worth?

I think this is a bit like what he left behind for his family and he wants the highest dollar value.
Those who are still living, take note. Guitars are generally a crappy investment. Very few guitars appreciate more quickly than the S&P 500 and when it's time to sell, you're going to pay a lot more in fees than you do selling stocks.
 
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For max value I'd do it slowly over a long period of time on craigslist. Learn about each one. Then list one or two at a time, sell 'em, when they're gone list the next couple.
 
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What's two weeks of your time worth?

Personally, I'd take my two weeks' pay out of the guitar sales. Depends on how close the family is. They want a service performed, they'll probably pay it. Reimbursement for the flight too.
 
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For max value I'd do it slowly over a long period of time on craigslist. Learn about each one. Then list one or two at a time, sell 'em, when they're gone list the next couple.

Long period of time on Craigslist = forever.

You will NEVER find a buyer on Craigslist.
 
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Since that's a substantial collection ;what you do is to You get the lot apprised by Dan Erlewine. Then you list them on 30 day 'Buy it Now' Auction, with the "Make Offer" option and maybe consider a 5-15% less than appraisal for quick sale. .
There isn't any urgent need to keep them listed practically forever, IMO, you'll likely get best offers pretty quickly, and after that, there wont be much in the way of interest for awhile.
That said, Now isn't the time to sell anything. Despite what people may say, the market has tanked almost worse than I have ever seen it. You wont sell jack anymore unless you are selling it way too low. Buy, do not sell.

Be prepared to leave the stuff on the market for a way long time to get close to what it is is worth.
 
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Long period of time on Craigslist = forever.

You will NEVER find a buyer on Craigslist.

Maybe. I sold about eight antique violins, a half dozen acoustic guitars, a couple ukeleles, and a banjo on Craigslist after the crazy old dude living on my dad's farm left behind tons of instruments. . . So there are buyers out there. Takes some patience though, it took me about eight months to unload everything. I'd guess a couple years for 25 guitars.
 
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Maybe. I sold about eight antique violins, a half dozen acoustic guitars, a couple ukeleles, and a banjo on Craigslist after the crazy old dude living on my dad's farm left behind tons of instruments. . .

I remember that!
Not to de-rail,but what did you end up keeping?
Or is there an old thread?
 
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Shocked that nobody has mentioned Reverb.com.

Free to list. They charge you 3.5% if / when it sells. Tell them to take a bunch of pretty pictures of each guitar and get them on that website.
 
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I remember that!
Not to de-rail,but what did you end up keeping?
Or is there an old thread?

I kept a tenor guitar (really cool instrument!), a mandolin, and one of the nicer violins. I'll probably sell off the violin in the future, as it sounds like **** when I play it. :P
 
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Did they send you an inventory list of the makes and models so you have an idea of what your dealing with and could get a decent idea of the value of everything? I am not too high on the idea of taking two weeks off from work and flying roundtrip from Wisconsin to Texas, as by the time you settle in and go through everything you may be lucky to sell 2 or 3 pieces while you are there. I also don't know if you are married with a family, but if you are that more then likely will not workout too well. It sounds like your cousin was basically a straight up collector, did he live by himself? If not then the guitars should be safe in the house he lived with and you are going to have to ask the family if he had friends who were into the same hobby as him.That way they would know what he owned and a few may want to purchase a few pieces he had.Your other relatives could state he was leaving them to you (since you play) but you are willing to part with the majority to help out the family and if you have a list of what he has can tell them what to ask for. But if he lived by himself I would advise your relatives to take the guitars out and certainly don't have no strangers dropping by from CL. Unless he basically kept to himself I am certain he showed people his guitars, which is an even bigger reason to move them out if he lived by himself and depending on how much family you have there have everyone take 5 to 8 guitars home as you don't want someone breaking in and cleaning out his gear.

This is pretty hard to figure out without knowing the situation! But if I were you I would tell your family that it is going to take some time to move all of that gear and if they want top dollar they are going to have to be patient. The last place I would have them bring his gear to is a store (especially when they figure out they know nothing about guitars), as they will take a beating. In the 42 years I have been playing I have acquired a pretty decent herd through the years and keep everything logged in a book and check once a year what most of my guitars sold for on the "Completed Auctions' section of Ebay in case something like this ever happens to me.I am also fortunate to have two sons (one plays) who will one day split everything as well as one of my closest friends who owns the guitar shop I hang out in and is a personal friend away from the store where I sold quite a few guitars to regulars and he wouldn't take a dime.
 
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I would debate the term "estate guitars", as they're not so much an investment as collectors seem to think. As well, I think the deceased has to have a certain degree of fame before one can claim the "estate" title. BB King's gear would go in an "estate sale". Izzy Straddlin's won't.

If he left them for the family to sell off, and to get as much as they can, it's probably safe to say the money will be needed to settle his final expenses more than putting their kids through college or funding their swimming pool installation. But I'm not involved with the situation so I can only speculate.

Check the Completed Listings on Ebay, not the Currently Active listings. Any moron can ask $5000 for a PRS, but if they're averaging $2200 in open bidding, that's what they're selling for.

I will say that there are many low-ballers still playing the "bad economy" card, so brace yourself for their b.s. If the economy is so bad for them, direct them towards low-cost imports until they're financially stable enough to spend real money for collector-grade pieces.

Auction houses can take as much as 50% of the final sale in commissions and fees, and there's a Tax Man on-hand if there are big-dollar items. Unca Sam wants what he believes is his fair share.

Ebay is going to be your best bet because of the larger market, not only of players but collectors who don't play but believe guitars are solid investments. However, if none of them are limited-run special editions and there are plenty to be had in similar condition, don't expect John D Rockefeller to drop a suitcase on you.
One man's collectible is another man's "meh, seen it", and value is in the mind of the buyer more than the Kelly Blue Book. Market Demand and Market Saturation influence prices, not speculators.

Having them appraised by a reputable dealer like Gruhn Guitars or Dan Erlewine is one idea to seriously consider, though you will need to provide several detailed photos of nearly every inch of the guitar. The iPhone won't cut it - you need someone that spent a minimum of $500 on a camera that cannot make phone calls or download YouTube videos or play Candy Crush with, and knows how to use it. If someone in the family does wedding photos and gets paid to do it, invite them, but stress these aren't the dreamspace glamour shots. You might even consider taking to the local photography studio, since they've got the equipment and the backdrops and lights to do it right. Sitting it on a stand in the kitchen next to the fern is the incorrect way, and the sure sign of someone who took the local Votec/Community College 2-week photography course. You want nothing in the shot but guitar, light, and generic, bland-yet-contrasting background, and lots of close-ups.

These photos should be sent to an appraiser.
Appraisal photos cannot be "enhanced" or photoshopped with filter effects. They have to look like the real thing. I don't recommend shipping the guitars to an appraiser (aside from the cost), as UPS, F'edEx, and the USPS know which packages are the most expensive and will unleash the Samsonite Apes on them.


Listing them all at once can't hurt, because very few people (3 is a generous estimate) will even be remotely interested in buying the whole collection. That's 3 out of how many billions of people on the planet?
Listing them all at once, however, has the potential to result in all of them selling at once, and thus requiring to be shipped all at once.

I once sold 10 guitars on Ebay in the same week. I shipped them all out over 2 days. 2 people got the wrong items. I reimbursed them to ship to each other, as none of us were willing to risk the extra step of shipping back to me then me shipping them back out. I can only imagine shipping 25 guitars in one week to 25 different people.


Another crucial point to consider is how these will be packed for shipping. I bought a guitar from a friend who went down to a local place that made a carton to his specs. It was tri-wall cardboard with 2" foam padding on the front and back and 3" padding on the top, sides, and bottom. It's the best box I've ever seen in my life. It cost him about $40, IIRC. It cost over $150 to ship due to the size of the box, and yet the case is no bigger than that of a 335.

Expensive guitars require extra consideration when packing and shipping. However, there's a price to pay for the extra security, and that comes out of the sale price (or gets tacked on beforehand).


Collectible guitars also require a lot of details, like the full serial number, and an anal-retentive analysis of the condition, from tip to tail. If they have any Certificates of Authenticity, those should be stated up-front. If they're part of a limited run, and numbered x/xx, state that as well. Collectors want details that earn higher prices. "Sat in a case all its life, owned by a non-player/non-smoker" isn't good enough. "Kept in a climate-controlled vault" is sometimes good, sometimes bad, as they get accustomed to that environment and removing them from it can have detrimental effects, like finish clouding, warpage, fret lifting, expansion/contraction, hardware oxidation, or finish cracking. When the buyer receives it, and discovers these changes in the condition, they will always request a partial refund "to have it restored", even if that "restoration" involves simply letting it acclimate to its new environment or wiping it with a soft cloth.
 
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Those who are still living, take note. Guitars are generally a crappy investment. Very few guitars appreciate more quickly than the S&P 500 and when it's time to sell, you're going to pay a lot more in fees than you do selling stocks.

I've had the opposite experience. Guitars go down for 10 years and then up when they are reaching 20 years old and labelled 'classic.' The stock market is gambling, S&P has no guarantee of increase or rate of increase. You can take a bath real quick with stocks, deeper than you would with musical instruments that were kept in excellent condition. The only problem with guitars is you cannot readily dump them for full value when you want/need; you will have to be patient and wait for the right buyer to come along. But they are a fine investment. And you do need to be smart about which ones to buy.
 
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not going to cover any new ground here but wanted to add a coupla small things.. tho I hate evilbay/slaypal fees, the benefit to that over craigslist or consignment is that you wont have a bunch of tools coming by playing the stuff and potentially scuffing it up or what have you. Plus, if you are not there and selling for a widow, she may not want people coming by to look at them.. I tried craiglist once and not only felt uncomfy for some of the cretins that showed up knowing where I live and seeing my kids (best to find a public meeting site), but I had some jerks show, fondle my toys and then give me some either crazy lowball offer, or say, "well I dont have any money to buy, I just always wanted to play one of these" or some crap like that..
 
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