Hi. I have a question I’m pretty sure I know the answer to but I do t really know the “why”. So why can’t I take an amp head, like the Orange Micro Terror 20watt, and go direct line from the “speaker out” and plug that into the line-in of a digital multitrack recorder, to record my guitar through that amp? Or can I do that and get ok results?
Amplier recording 101 question
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NegativeEase
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Re: Amplier recording 101 question
Speaker out is High Current/Voltage not Line Level -DO NOT DO THAT
Your Multitrack recorder input can ONLY take line level or less -meaning you need a "line out" of the amp -so since you don't have one -use the Phone out -but only one side -either left or right. -
Speaker out is High Current/Voltage not Line Level -DO NOT DO THAT
Your Multitrack recorder input can ONLY take line level or less -meaning you need a "line out" of the amp -so since you don't have one -use the Phone out -but only one side -either left or right. -
mechanic1908
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Pretty sure the voltage out of a speaker output would be a lot higher than the input on the recording device would be expecting.
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Pretty sure the voltage out of a speaker output would be a lot higher than the input on the recording device would be expecting.
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Thanks. Are there any inexpensive speaker sims to put between an amp speaker out and a daw recorder, that you know of
Thanks. Are there any inexpensive speaker sims to put between an amp speaker out and a daw recorder, that you know of
Empty Pockets
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You can do this safely by running the headphone out from your Micro Terror to your interface. It emulates a 4x12 cab, too.
You can't do that with most all-tube amps but with Orange Micro heads, you can safely run them unloaded.
You can do this safely by running the headphone out from your Micro Terror to your interface. It emulates a 4x12 cab, too.
You can't do that with most all-tube amps but with Orange Micro heads, you can safely run them unloaded.
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Jacew
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To clarify:
Never connect anything else, except speaker or load box designed to replace the speaker, to Speaker out.
If your amp has Solid State power amp, you can run it without speaker connected.
If it has headphone out or line out you can use that to record direct.
If your amp has Tube power amp, never turn it on without speaker, or load that replaces the speaker.
To clarify:
Never connect anything else, except speaker or load box designed to replace the speaker, to Speaker out.
If your amp has Solid State power amp, you can run it without speaker connected.
If it has headphone out or line out you can use that to record direct.
If your amp has Tube power amp, never turn it on without speaker, or load that replaces the speaker.
GuitarStv
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Good stereo or high fi speakers will reproduce sound in a very neutral and flat way from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. Guitar speakers are anything but flat. They're usually extremely hyped in the mid range with little to no bass and high frequencies. Try plugging your guitar into the line in on a hi-fi system and you'll see what it sounds like when you record direct in . . . it's a weird sound that your ears are not used to. The amp speaker radically reshapes the sound of the amp, and we're very used to hearing it.
Good stereo or high fi speakers will reproduce sound in a very neutral and flat way from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. Guitar speakers are anything but flat. They're usually extremely hyped in the mid range with little to no bass and high frequencies. Try plugging your guitar into the line in on a hi-fi system and you'll see what it sounds like when you record direct in . . . it's a weird sound that your ears are not used to. The amp speaker radically reshapes the sound of the amp, and we're very used to hearing it.
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Ok thanks for all your replies. I really didn’t know I should completely avoid using the speaker out as line out. Or not to run an amp head with out speaker or something connected.
So are amps with “emulated speaker out” through the headphone jacks any different than any amp that has a “headphone out” jack? Or does an emulated headphone out have something more to it? Would the “speaker out” to a Red Box type amp simulator give me better sound than “headphone out”?
Ok thanks for all your replies. I really didn’t know I should completely avoid using the speaker out as line out. Or not to run an amp head with out speaker or something connected.
So are amps with “emulated speaker out” through the headphone jacks any different than any amp that has a “headphone out” jack? Or does an emulated headphone out have something more to it? Would the “speaker out” to a Red Box type amp simulator give me better sound than “headphone out”?
NegativeEase
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The Headphone jack is good to use -it's usually right before the power output section -not sure on the Terror where it is -An emulated speaker output is a line level pick off of the power output section -safe for recording and sounds like the entire amp -cool to have but getting a recording from the Headphone out will sound great -it's the preamp section.
Also -let me be very clear -IF YOU HAVE A HEADPHONE OUTPUT CONNECTED -YOU DO NOT NEED A SPEAKER CAB ATTACHED TO THE SPEAKER OUTPUT -engaging the headphone out bypasses the input to the output transformer -I read the manual for you.
but the moment you pull a cable out of the headphone output -if the amp is on you MUST have a load (Speaker cabinet attached)
The Headphone jack is good to use -it's usually right before the power output section -not sure on the Terror where it is -An emulated speaker output is a line level pick off of the power output section -safe for recording and sounds like the entire amp -cool to have but getting a recording from the Headphone out will sound great -it's the preamp section.
Also -let me be very clear -IF YOU HAVE A HEADPHONE OUTPUT CONNECTED -YOU DO NOT NEED A SPEAKER CAB ATTACHED TO THE SPEAKER OUTPUT -engaging the headphone out bypasses the input to the output transformer -I read the manual for you.
but the moment you pull a cable out of the headphone output -if the amp is on you MUST have a load (Speaker cabinet attached)
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LLL
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You need to line out (many ways, some built in) somehow with your amp, then in the DAW use a speaker iR (if you want full control over the "speaker" tone, that is).
For example, here's my ADA MP-1 lined out to DAW with speaker iR, EQ, etc:
You need to line out (many ways, some built in) somehow with your amp, then in the DAW use a speaker iR (if you want full control over the "speaker" tone, that is).
For example, here's my ADA MP-1 lined out to DAW with speaker iR, EQ, etc:
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devastone
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*EDIT* I did say that the micro terror doesn't need a speaker hooked up because it is a solid state amp, but NegativeEase is correct, the manual does say it needs to have a speaker connected.
*EDIT* I did say that the micro terror doesn't need a speaker hooked up because it is a solid state amp, but NegativeEase is correct, the manual does say it needs to have a speaker connected.
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NegativeEase
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I wasnt calling you out BTW, on principle you were/are correct -I just learned that in the manual and thought it was relevant.
It's probably a good idea never unplug the speaker cabinet.
I wasnt calling you out BTW, on principle you were/are correct -I just learned that in the manual and thought it was relevant.
It's probably a good idea never unplug the speaker cabinet.
NegativeEase
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Cool, because It would take a lot for me to correct or call something out in a rude way -It's not in my nature. I encourage respect for all -I'm a fan on civilization in principle.
Cool, because It would take a lot for me to correct or call something out in a rude way -It's not in my nature. I encourage respect for all -I'm a fan on civilization in principle.
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Ok thanks for the info. I don’t have a micro terror, it was just an example I was considering. So to use the “speaker out” I would need a amp simulator AND something for the load, if I didn’t have a speaker cab attached. BUT I don’t need to do that because the “headphone out” will give decent results for line out recording. (Just don’t unplug the headphone out without speaker attached. That’s what I think your consensus is
Ok thanks for the info. I don’t have a micro terror, it was just an example I was considering. So to use the “speaker out” I would need a amp simulator AND something for the load, if I didn’t have a speaker cab attached. BUT I don’t need to do that because the “headphone out” will give decent results for line out recording. (Just don’t unplug the headphone out without speaker attached. That’s what I think your consensus is
LLL
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Jacew
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Well, you can use headphone and line outs for recording, but how "decent" that sounds entirely depends on the amp and listener.
I wonder why does Micro Terror needs cab connected :dunno:. But I guess you should do that when the manual says so.
Well, you can use headphone and line outs for recording, but how "decent" that sounds entirely depends on the amp and listener.
I wonder why does Micro Terror needs cab connected :dunno:. But I guess you should do that when the manual says so.
