Amplifiers: Your List of Amps Ruined by Later "Improved" Designs!

Sludgenutz

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Amps are one thing we all cannot live without, as electric guitarists. Builders of these devices just can't seem to live without tweaking things...and in retrospect, they just end up botching more than they improve far too often.

My list is a short one. The original Sunn model T was fine. Then Sunn did bad things with the tone stack on the "improved model". Fender finally killed the Sunn model T name with an anemic 6L6 powered piece of crap.

Your list, and why...please!
 
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Pretty much every Marshall after the JCM800 series, with few exceptions.

Fender amps in the 1969 and onward era (silverface onward).
 
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I liked Marshall's VS series, but I feel they botched them when they "upgraded" them to to the AVT series.
 
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joelap said:
Pretty much every Marshall after the JCM800 series, with few exceptions.

Fender amps in the 1969 and onward era (silverface onward).
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I happen to really really like my 1970 silverface super reverb and think that Fender didn't do anything wrong to that amp whatsoever. I've played the blackface version (original, not reissue) and while it did sound different, in no way can I say accurately that it sounded better.
 
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CapoFirstFret said:
I happen to really really like my 1970 silverface super reverb and think that Fender didn't do anything wrong to that amp whatsoever. I've played the blackface version (original, not reissue) and while it did sound different, in no way can I say accurately that it sounded better.
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Yeah I agree. I think SF Fenders are labeled as bing bad amps. I have a'68 Super Reverb and a 67 Deluxe, both silvers and I think both of them sound awesome. I prefer Silvers that are Non Master Volumes. I feel (from a lot of experience with them) that once they added the Master volume the amps really took a nose dive as far as tone was concerned. There are a few that have the MV that I played thru that did not sound bad, but most I did not care for. Any Silver that was made form 1967 thru around 1972 (my dates may be off I'm doing this from memory) did not have a Master volume. They are much more affordale than a BF Fender and they will rival the tone of a BF. (IMHO).
 
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Gibson---the nice sounding (if a little quirky) amps of the late 50's and early 60's (GA20, Falcon) gave way to the over-engineered mid 60's Saturn/Apollo/space age amps with lousy reverb and a unlistenable tone.

Traynor---a good basic non-MV design got screwed up either by adding features (reverb, MV) or by removing them (choke, etc).
 
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