Analog tube amp modeling stomps

Icarusfire

Icarusfire

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I recently bumped into this stomp;

http://www.tech21nyc.com/products/sansamp/gt2.html

I wonder anyone has experience with this while using direct into soundcard?

The way I want to use it is for recording so it will be something like this:

guitar -> stomp ->audio interface(focusrite which already has some good mic preamps) ->Mac Logic pro

I like the amp sims in Logic Pro but distortions are a bit harsh to me and I cant get that strong chunky sound I want(or I dont know how to set it yet), so I wonder If use this stomp instead of Logic amp sim, and use the Logic only for adding overdrive, compression and reverb, do you think there will be a 200 euro improvement in the tone?

In this case I also wonder adding overdrive and compression effects in computer after amp modeling stomp is the correct order?
 
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ya I record with tech 21 character series for guitar and bass for most of my recordings in 2013, sounds pretty good with Impulses/IRs
 
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Icarusfire said:
In this case I also wonder adding overdrive and compression effects in computer after amp modeling stomp is the correct order?
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Treat the Tech21 pedal as the amp. If you need overdrive before the amp, it goes BEFORE the Tech21 pedal, so you'll want an OD pedal too. I've gotten plenty of great tones out of amp sim pedals, the AMT pedals are great too. I always ran an OD pedal before them too to push them harder and tighten them up.
 
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dominus said:
Treat the Tech21 pedal as the amp. If you need overdrive before the amp, it goes BEFORE the Tech21 pedal, so you'll want an OD pedal too.
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and what about compressor, EQ and delays? is that ok to set those in computer? this is the only reason I hesitate, I dont wanna end up with many stompboxes just to use the Tech21 stomp
 
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everdrone said:
ya I record with tech 21 character series for guitar and bass for most of my recordings in 2013, sounds pretty good with Impulses/IRs
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Does Impulses/IRs something has an equivalent in Logic Pro X? is it like a cab simulator or reverb? Logic has space designer But I don't know that's why you mean. On teh other hand I think its ok to use cab sims after tech21?
 
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Why use an actual valve guitar amplifier?

I frequently use a Blackstar HT-5H between my guitar and interface box. The loudspeaker emulation direct output socket mutes the loudspeaker cabinet so, my neighbours like this signal path too.
 
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Funkfingers said:
Why use an actual valve guitar amplifier?

I frequently use a Blackstar HT-5H between my guitar and interface box. The loudspeaker emulation direct output socket mutes the loudspeaker cabinet so, my neighbours like this signal path too.
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damn..decent price also, but too late I just ordered the Sanamp stomp hehe.

I am curious if you try to used the cab sims and overdrive in LogicPro with this setup? blackstar -> interface -> Logicpro. I just don't wanna buy any other stompbox under the computer.

And do you add it as "Guitar" or as "Audio" while using with Logic pro? tnx
 
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You may be interested in this:

 
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You remember that first person shooter game "Quake"?
The soundtrack was all sansamp gt-2.
http://music.stackexchange.com/questions/14352/quake-2-sonic-mayhem-quad-machine-guitar-sound
They are really useful direct recording devices with zero latency. It's job is less as a "stompbox" but more as a silent means of getting amp sounds onto your recording device and bypassing the need for micing up a real amp. Its strength is that it is all analog, so it maintains a lot of the feel that many players feel they lose when using digital based modelling.

They are designed to get all your drive sounds from before they hit the soundcard. You can add delays and stuff if you like after, but it has its own speaker emulations and amp models already. Think of it as an amp without using an amp. If you are not getting enough tonal flexibility and gain (it has heaps of both) then use a regular distortion/od or whatever pedal before the sansamp - just like you would with a real amp and mic setup.
 
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You recently discovered a 20+ year-old pre-digital amp modelling device? No offense, but there's free stuff now that rivals.

On a similar note, I'd heard a cool metal demo used with one in the early 90's that I recall sounding good.
 
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DankStar said:
You recently discovered a 20+ year-old pre-digital amp modelling device? No offense, but there's free stuff now that rivals.

On a similar note, I'd heard a cool metal demo used with one in the early 90's that I recall sounding good.
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What, sansamps? There's a lot of numetal who tour with a pile of evil tube amps who recorded with sansamps. It was the Rockman of the 90s up to today, where any semi-big metal recording studio is going to be convincing the ugly-haired kid to leave his badly set up amp at home and just record into a gt2 instead.

Tech21 devices are everywhere in recorded rock. More prevalent in bass, as their bass d.I. is great.

Food for thought, catalinbread has put out some excellent Marshall pedals, JHS stole some awesome schematics for amp in a box stomps and has been popping them out, lovepedal has some nifty stomp amps...everyone's getting in on it. You can also build them pretty easy. No magic, just parts. Like 30 bucks in parts.

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Or you could just get the Behringer GD121 for 1/4 the price... (and the same tone)

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Even has a balanced (XLR) out.
 
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jon the art guy said:
The BD121 is similar. a knockoff for bass. The Joyo 6-knob pedals (AC-tone, American, California, British) are knockoffs of the Tech21 Character series.
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Been meaning to try a Joyo....not a drive pedal though..got too many of those haha. That Voodoo Octave one seems interesting.
 
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i tried out a behringer. Very noisy unit. plastic case. cheapo switches.
Sansamps are much nicer pieces of gear.
 
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Not going to take the bait haha..

..I will say though, your ears must be a lot more discerning than mine.. ;)
 
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Phantasmagoria said:
Or you could just get the Behringer GD121 for 1/4 the price... (and the same tone)

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Even has a balanced (XLR) out.
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I own one of these Behringers - and I really hope the SansAmp does sound better as the Behringer is pretty horrible. Far worse (IMO) than the first generation of Line 6 modelers (which have improved a lot since then) and also nowhere close to the built in amp sims in Logic.
 
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Different strokes as I said. I owned a 75W Line 6 Spider IV (new, improved ...since sold) & currently own one of these & I'd choose this over the Line 6 without a moment's hesitation for what I like to do...
 
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