Antiquity II surfer wiring problem

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Shirobon

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I have an american alder strat with a neck Antiquity II surfer. I play surf, garage, punk and cleans. Thats the style I want, very nice cleans, a bridge that can play punky and overall versatility with a very great neck clean (which I think I already have) My amp is a hot rod deville III, my pedals are the american big muff, mxr badass 74, blues driver and angry troll.

I DO have some experience wiring guitar pickups, but obviously I am looking for help here.

Here are a series of Problems:
(1) The neck Antiquity II sounds awesome in clean. But when it is being distorted, the speakers kinda start to crap out, kinda like a light, natural fuzz effect which I sort of dont like. IS THIS NORMAL?!. The sixth string sounds really loud when comparing it with the other strings. It kinda sounds like a bass string. I figured that it sounds great for surf. The usual suspect is, maybe, stupid tbx pots. Or maybe is because I changed the caps in the pot. The Antiquity II schematics suggested a .05 mfd, so I used a .047 orange drop cap. It did have in the original pup the original cap (i bet it was a .022, but don't really know). What could be doing this and how can I fixed? (Some of you already pointed out that changing cap and lowering the pup a bit, might help)

(2) The Antiquity II neck is wounded differently from the original american pups. Meaning that the middle does not hum cancel with the neck surfer when it is in phase. But if I use the neck pup I replaced in the middle, it wont cancel with the bridge. So I will have to buy another bridge pickup. So, I am asking for alternatives and opinions:
-Should I buy the complete antiquity II set?
-Will the Antiquity II custom bridge deliver the punky articulate overdrive I am looking?
-I was thinking in the YJM in the bridge. Is that good for what I want? If so, what yjm should I get so I can wire it correctly, in phase and in correct winding with a Antiquity II neck and an american std middle/neck pup?


(3) Also, I want to change the tone knobs. I am thinking in Fender no loads. The split shaft were already suggested for the strat, but well, is the wiring of no loads identical to another pot?

I basically rewrote all this for the sake of clarity and organization Tnx for all your posts!
 
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Re: Antiquity II surfer wiring problem

Try a .022 cap ...that should tame the fizz some...I never did dig the TBX thing and don't know if that is part of the problem.

I have Surfers in my Strat and love them.
 
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should I try a .022 cap in the neck? Is that what the antiquity II surfer wiring ask?
 
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i would lower the bass side of the neck pup a touch.

sounds like the surfer and the middle pup are the same magnetic polarity so flipping wires will only get you so far.

i prefer the .02 cap over the .047. the fact that its an orange drop shouldnt really make much difference.

i dont like tbx tone controls. i would use cts 250k pots. the shaft type depends on what knobs you use. typical fender slide on knobs want split shaft pots.
 
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how about no load. The I am using the standard knobs on the american strats. i guess is split shaft?

still waiting for the other questions to be adrressed tnx for ur fast answeres
 
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Fender No-Load makes most sense on the bridge and middle pickups. TBX produces unpredictable loading artefacts. I always remove them. For the upper tone pot, I usually have an A250 push-pull pot.
 
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They are split shaft pots.

solid shaft are the type that teles use, for example. you need a screw to put the knob on.

I strongly recommend you take it to a local tech, it sounds like you have little to no real experience with this kind of thing.

I'm sure someone would take a look at it... maybe for free. ask around.
 
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surely users can tell me what no load and custom bridge antiquity iis are all about!
 
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The problem is that most of the original post is back story and opinion. Other than the phase/polarity matter, there are no hard questions that can be answered simply.
 
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I'm just having trouble understanding what you want. I don't see how a pickup can make your amp "thump". Maybe it's not the guitar at all.
 
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Shirobon said:
OK, here it goes.

I have a 1994 anniversary strat. It does have two tbx and original pups and the infamous orange drops .047 and im not sure if they are doing something good in my tone.

I bought and installed the surfer for the neck. The problem is that is not hum cancelling with the middle. First is out of phase, i inverted the cables and now, they are in phase, but not cancelling.
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Unfortunately the Fenders and regular Duncans have same wind direction and opposite polarity (IIRC). That means to be in phase you can't have hum cancellation between a regular Duncan neck and what was a regular Fender middle that did hum cancellation with a Fender neck. Following me so far?

If you were to replace the Fender middle pickup with a Fender neck or bridge pickup (and put it into the middle position) then you would get hum cancellation with a regular Duncan neck (or bridge).

To make matters more complication, the Ant II (Surfers) have the regular Duncan polarity but the Ant I (Texas Hot) have Fender polarity.

Shirobon said:
I am using a Fender Hot Rod deville III with JJs. And thats my main dist, along with a big muff (american)

I have mixed feelings with the neck surfer, because in distortion, the sixth strings sounds really FUZZED and my speakers feels this big thump. is this normal? maybe the orange drops are doing this? of course, when i grind and play the fast surf, the pickup deliver, but that sixth string in distortion really leaves me wondering
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Sounds like not solid wiring. No way that a wrong kind but correct value capacitor could do this.

Shirobon said:
The solution to this problem would basically be:

Installing the original neck in the middle, but then it wont hum cancel and be in phase with the bridge.
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Right, see above.

You problem is that you need one (and only one) pickup that is RWRP with the two others, and that RWRP pickup must be in the middle. Your two RWRPs (compared to Fender polarity) are the Duncan and the original Fender middle. But you want the Duncan in the neck.

So you move the original bridge to the middle and then use the Duncan in the neck and the original middle in the bridge.

This assumes you don't have a higher wind bridge pickup.

Shirobon said:
Since I was thinking of replacing the bridge too with something that gives me lots of distortion, I was thinking about using the YJM. I just want to use a garage-like punky crunch and I am just not sure if the custom bridge surfer will give that to me, so I am basically asking the following:
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The YJM (at least the Dimarzio) doesn't give you what you want there, it isn't fat at all. The Custom Bridge isn't to my taste and it isn't hum canceling.

Shirobon said:
What would you recommend?

If you recommend the YJM, of course, I want it to be in phase and cancelling with the middle and the middle with the neck. What YJM should I buy? I would have the two original american pickups, so I can play with the rwrp thing, as long as I get the bridge.
But mostly...

Will the antiquity II custom bridge deliver what im looking for?


Also, I want to put other pots, those TBX are really inconsistent for me. Maybe trying the no load right now, but, then again what should i get?


250K ohm No load split shaft ohms, or solid shaft? or other numeric ohm? what the hell means split shaft and solid shaft?


I want for my strat a very surfy dist, with a punky garage dist and a great, bassy neck clean (which the antiquity II neck surfer deliver) so should i get the entire set with the no loads now?

tnx!!
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Neck: surfer
Middle: original Fender neck or bridge
Bridge: Strabro90 (no hum canceling)

CTS pots from ebay.
 
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OK. I edited the original post with all the information:

I have an american alder strat with a neck Antiquity II surfer. I play surf, garage, punk and cleans. Thats the style I want, very nice cleans, a bridge that can play punky and overall versatility with a very great neck clean (which I think I already have) My amp is a hot rod deville III, my pedals are the american big muff, mxr badass 74, blues driver and angry troll.

I DO have some experience wiring guitar pickups, but obviously I am looking for help here.

Here are a series of Problems:
(1) The neck Antiquity II sounds awesome in clean. But when it is being distorted, the speakers kinda start to crap out, kinda like a light, natural fuzz effect which I sort of dont like. IS THIS NORMAL?!. The sixth string sounds really loud when comparing it with the other strings. It kinda sounds like a bass string. I figured that it sounds great for surf. The usual suspect is, maybe, stupid tbx pots. Or maybe is because I changed the caps in the pot. The Antiquity II schematics suggested a .05 mfd, so I used a .047 orange drop cap. It did have in the original pup the original cap (i bet it was a .022, but don't really know). What could be doing this and how can I fixed? (Some of you already pointed out that changing cap and lowering the pup a bit, might help)

(2) The Antiquity II neck is wounded differently from the original american pups. Meaning that the middle does not hum cancel with the neck surfer when it is in phase. But if I use the neck pup I replaced in the middle, it wont cancel with the bridge. So I will have to buy another bridge pickup. So, I am asking for alternatives and opinions:
-Should I buy the complete antiquity II set?
-Will the Antiquity II custom bridge deliver the punky articulate overdrive I am looking?
-I was thinking in the YJM in the bridge. Is that good for what I want? If so, what yjm should I get so I can wire it correctly, in phase and in correct winding with a Antiquity II neck and an american std middle/neck pup?


(3) Also, I want to change the tone knobs. I am thinking in Fender no loads. The split shaft were already suggested for the strat, but well, is the wiring of no loads identical to another pot?
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tnx for ur tips

uOpt said:
Unfortunately the Fenders and regular Duncans have same wind direction and opposite polarity (IIRC). That means to be in phase you can't have hum cancellation between a regular Duncan neck and what was a regular Fender middle that did hum cancellation with a Fender neck. Following me so far?

If you were to replace the Fender middle pickup with a Fender neck or bridge pickup (and put it into the middle position) then you would get hum cancellation with a regular Duncan neck (or bridge).

To make matters more complication, the Ant II (Surfers) have the regular Duncan polarity but the Ant I (Texas Hot) have Fender polarity.



Sounds like not solid wiring. No way that a wrong kind but correct value capacitor could do this.



Right, see above.

You problem is that you need one (and only one) pickup that is RWRP with the two others, and that RWRP pickup must be in the middle. Your two RWRPs (compared to Fender polarity) are the Duncan and the original Fender middle. But you want the Duncan in the neck.

So you move the original bridge to the middle and then use the Duncan in the neck and the original middle in the bridge.

This assumes you don't have a higher wind bridge pickup.



The YJM (at least the Dimarzio) doesn't give you what you want there, it isn't fat at all. The Custom Bridge isn't to my taste and it isn't hum canceling.



Neck: surfer
Middle: original Fender neck or bridge
Bridge: Strabro90 (no hum canceling)

CTS pots from ebay.
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(1) The neck Antiquity II sounds awesome in clean. But when it is being distorted, the speakers kinda start to crap out, kinda like a light, natural fuzz effect which I sort of dont like. IS THIS NORMAL?!. The sixth string sounds really loud when comparing it with the other strings. It kinda sounds like a bass string. I figured that it sounds great for surf. The usual suspect is, maybe, stupid tbx pots. Or maybe is because I changed the caps in the pot. The Antiquity II schematics suggested a .05 mfd, so I used a .047 orange drop cap. It did have in the original pup the original cap (i bet it was a .022, but don't really know). What could be doing this and how can I fixed? (Some of you already pointed out that changing cap and lowering the pup a bit, might help)
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its not the cap, the low e shouldnt be that much louder than the rest of the strings. do you have the bass cranked on the amp? i would lower the bass side of the pup a little

(2) The Antiquity II neck is wounded differently from the original american pups. Meaning that the middle does not hum cancel with the neck surfer when it is in phase. But if I use the neck pup I replaced in the middle, it wont cancel with the bridge. So I will have to buy another bridge pickup. So, I am asking for alternatives and opinions:
-Should I buy the complete antiquity II set?
-Will the Antiquity II custom bridge deliver the punky articulate overdrive I am looking?
-I was thinking in the YJM in the bridge. Is that good for what I want? If so, what yjm should I get so I can wire it correctly, in phase and in correct winding with a Antiquity II neck and an american std middle/neck pup?
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if you want the full antiquity set then get it. i love the neck and middle pups but prefer an alnico II pup in the bridge. im not sure what you mean by punky articulate overdrive.

(3) Also, I want to change the tone knobs. I am thinking in Fender no loads. The split shaft were already suggested for the strat, but well, is the wiring of no loads identical to another pot?
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the wiring of no load pots are the same as a typical tone pot.
 
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well, i mean a usuable, articulate garage punk. the premise of the surfer custom bridge seems to be right on the money, but since i havent listen to them, i might be off. maybe audio clips would be good.
 
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Shirobon said:
well, i mean a usuable, articulate garage punk. the premise of the surfer custom bridge seems to be right on the money, but since i havent listen to them, i might be off. maybe audio clips would be good.
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there are clips on the sd website.
 
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No sound clips for Custom Shop or Ants.

I'm not going to write "trust me" about Ant II Surfer pickups. I'm just going to say that they are the closest to the tone and dynamic qualities that I would wish to find in a Stratocaster.
 
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