Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
I'm looking at the red XTC and the Uberschall. The demo's have been kind of hit and miss. Anyone got some digs on them?
Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
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Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
Obviously I've not been around for awhile BloodRose. Is this going to turn ugly or something?
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Obviously I've not been around for awhile BloodRose. Is this going to turn ugly or something?
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
There's no controversy over them, I think Bloodrose just means he wishes more people on the forum actually owned one to talk about.
My gathering, based on quick store demos, is that they're basically 'amps in a box' so they sound best on a fat clean tone. If you used one with a gainy amp, you'd probably want the blue one dialed down considerably.
I don't really have a purpose for buying any, since my main amp is an XTC, and when I'm using my clean amps, I'm not looking to turn them into a highgain amp. But if I were thinking of buying one, it'd probably be the red one, since it's one of the best sounding distortion boxes I've ever heard.
There's no controversy over them, I think Bloodrose just means he wishes more people on the forum actually owned one to talk about.
My gathering, based on quick store demos, is that they're basically 'amps in a box' so they sound best on a fat clean tone. If you used one with a gainy amp, you'd probably want the blue one dialed down considerably.
I don't really have a purpose for buying any, since my main amp is an XTC, and when I'm using my clean amps, I'm not looking to turn them into a highgain amp. But if I were thinking of buying one, it'd probably be the red one, since it's one of the best sounding distortion boxes I've ever heard.
That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
You wanted honest, I'll give you honest.
Pros: doesn't sound like your average overdrive/distortion pedal. Tons of flexibility with the sound. I dig the overdrive channel on the Ecstasy Blue a lot.
Cons: the boost a) volume can't be set for unity gain as a different color to the overdrive b) the gain cannot be dialed down to be a clean boost, there will always be way more gain on tap than you'd need unless you're a metal player and that's on the Blue which is supposed to be geared towards the lighter gain guys. Even dialing down the overdrive side to a light crunch, the boost will take it to some seriously saturated tones and that's a bit too much gain IMHO.
*My biggest problem with them right now is their lack of customer support. I've tried contacting them over a half dozen times within the last month and a half and they refuse to take care of my pedal which got shipped with quality control issues. Mine doesn't power off 50-100mA, I need to use the higher current output on my PP2+ to make it work. Also, as exhibited with many of the pedals out there, the switch is intermittent (on my boost side I'll have to hit it 3 or 4 times to get it to change state). They claim it comes with a 3 year warranty, but they won't take care of a pedal I spent $250 on 3 months after buying it from an authorized dealer. That pisses me off. There have been other threads on other forums about this problem and they refuse to acknowledge it. One person got a hold of them and they shipped out a pedal with the same switch problems, so they aren't even checking these things before they go out. I went from praising Bogner to hating Bogner and if you've followed my posts about Bogner on here for the last 8 years or so that's a big statement, so take that into consideration.
You wanted honest, I'll give you honest.
Pros: doesn't sound like your average overdrive/distortion pedal. Tons of flexibility with the sound. I dig the overdrive channel on the Ecstasy Blue a lot.
Cons: the boost a) volume can't be set for unity gain as a different color to the overdrive b) the gain cannot be dialed down to be a clean boost, there will always be way more gain on tap than you'd need unless you're a metal player and that's on the Blue which is supposed to be geared towards the lighter gain guys. Even dialing down the overdrive side to a light crunch, the boost will take it to some seriously saturated tones and that's a bit too much gain IMHO.
*My biggest problem with them right now is their lack of customer support. I've tried contacting them over a half dozen times within the last month and a half and they refuse to take care of my pedal which got shipped with quality control issues. Mine doesn't power off 50-100mA, I need to use the higher current output on my PP2+ to make it work. Also, as exhibited with many of the pedals out there, the switch is intermittent (on my boost side I'll have to hit it 3 or 4 times to get it to change state). They claim it comes with a 3 year warranty, but they won't take care of a pedal I spent $250 on 3 months after buying it from an authorized dealer. That pisses me off. There have been other threads on other forums about this problem and they refuse to acknowledge it. One person got a hold of them and they shipped out a pedal with the same switch problems, so they aren't even checking these things before they go out. I went from praising Bogner to hating Bogner and if you've followed my posts about Bogner on here for the last 8 years or so that's a big statement, so take that into consideration.
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Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
That's a pretty good seal of approval. Of course we wouldn't be having this conversation had my tax return came in 1 freaking day earlier. I was going to buy the white chassis XTC that was on Ebay a couple weeks ago for $2500. Wasn't even going to think twice about it, but plans and options have changed so....
That's kind of disheartening to hear bro. I really wondered if there wasn't something going on with them. I don't get on the forums much anymore, but I noticed a lot of restocks and what not on these. Which is really unusual for most any Bogner product. You just don't see a lot of used Bogner anything...even the Alchemist. I think I'll probably hold off on one of these until I see if they don't turn it around and get things right with them.
That's a pretty good seal of approval. Of course we wouldn't be having this conversation had my tax return came in 1 freaking day earlier. I was going to buy the white chassis XTC that was on Ebay a couple weeks ago for $2500. Wasn't even going to think twice about it, but plans and options have changed so....
That's kind of disheartening to hear bro. I really wondered if there wasn't something going on with them. I don't get on the forums much anymore, but I noticed a lot of restocks and what not on these. Which is really unusual for most any Bogner product. You just don't see a lot of used Bogner anything...even the Alchemist. I think I'll probably hold off on one of these until I see if they don't turn it around and get things right with them.
superpete
Active member
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
i work at a guitar store, and we sell a lot of the red ecstacy pedals. most who have bought the blue ones returned them and got the red instead. i've played around with them and think they do sound good, but are a little overpriced.
i work at a guitar store, and we sell a lot of the red ecstacy pedals. most who have bought the blue ones returned them and got the red instead. i've played around with them and think they do sound good, but are a little overpriced.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
Hello stranger
Best of luck with the latest hype thingy
Hello stranger
Best of luck with the latest hype thingy
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
I think the problem with Bogner customer service is that they're actually a small custom shop with a few guys working there making US Bogner amps. The L6/Bogner stuff is handled by L6, but the Alchemist and pedal lines are outsourced. So when there's problems with those, the small North Hollywood shop isn't fully equipped to handle it, other than sending out a new replacement. The techs there can't be using their time to work on Chinese Alchemist amps and pedals.
They may need to sort this out, if they don't have warranty centers all over the world. Bogner grew so quickly that some aspects of the company probably need to catch up.
I think the problem with Bogner customer service is that they're actually a small custom shop with a few guys working there making US Bogner amps. The L6/Bogner stuff is handled by L6, but the Alchemist and pedal lines are outsourced. So when there's problems with those, the small North Hollywood shop isn't fully equipped to handle it, other than sending out a new replacement. The techs there can't be using their time to work on Chinese Alchemist amps and pedals.
They may need to sort this out, if they don't have warranty centers all over the world. Bogner grew so quickly that some aspects of the company probably need to catch up.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
If they can't (or won't?) do any better than this on the customer service end of things then they shouldn't have gotten into the pedal game anyway.
The size of the company is NO EXCUSE...I've gotten great customer service from very small companies all the way down to 1 man operations, Bogner has enough resources to get these pedals out in MASSIVE numbers to retailers all over the world and to take out full page colour ads in almost every mag I've gotten in the past few months but they can't return an email?!
If they can't (or won't?) do any better than this on the customer service end of things then they shouldn't have gotten into the pedal game anyway.
The size of the company is NO EXCUSE...I've gotten great customer service from very small companies all the way down to 1 man operations, Bogner has enough resources to get these pedals out in MASSIVE numbers to retailers all over the world and to take out full page colour ads in almost every mag I've gotten in the past few months but they can't return an email?!
Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
What's shake'n guys. I had a talk w/ MJ about some pickups the other day and figured I might well stop in say hi and see if anything has changed. It hasn't.
This is kinda my sentiment on this. It's not like Bogner started 2 years ago. He's been in the business almost 30 years. It's not like he's a babe in the woods when it comes to distribution and customer service. Production mishaps happen. It happens with almost everyone. Fixing it doing right by your customers is the key thing here. I don't know about most people, but if I pay $300 for a pedal, I dam well expect it work or be fixed with little hassle on my end if something goes awry. I'm really put off by this thread. I think I'll skip these until I find one cheap or they get this stuff straightened out.
Hello stranger
Best of luck with the latest hype thingy
What's shake'n guys. I had a talk w/ MJ about some pickups the other day and figured I might well stop in say hi and see if anything has changed. It hasn't.
This is kinda my sentiment on this. It's not like Bogner started 2 years ago. He's been in the business almost 30 years. It's not like he's a babe in the woods when it comes to distribution and customer service. Production mishaps happen. It happens with almost everyone. Fixing it doing right by your customers is the key thing here. I don't know about most people, but if I pay $300 for a pedal, I dam well expect it work or be fixed with little hassle on my end if something goes awry. I'm really put off by this thread. I think I'll skip these until I find one cheap or they get this stuff straightened out.
ken361
New member
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
I love there pedals with no problems at all, i keep the boost set low and have it on at all times for that thicker true amp feel. Sounds great with my fenders.
Red Dokken riff, not perfect though. My vocal mic isnt the best for truly capturing the tone,this came out a little bassy oh well any ways.
https://soundcloud.com/ken374/dokken
Blue pedal
https://soundcloud.com/ken374/blue-mode-20th-ann-b1
I love there pedals with no problems at all, i keep the boost set low and have it on at all times for that thicker true amp feel. Sounds great with my fenders.
Red Dokken riff, not perfect though. My vocal mic isnt the best for truly capturing the tone,this came out a little bassy oh well any ways.
https://soundcloud.com/ken374/dokken
Blue pedal
https://soundcloud.com/ken374/blue-mode-20th-ann-b1
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ken361
New member
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
You have to tinker with the tone pots/boost and gain to dial in your final tone, some complain because they dont use the boost baaawa! leave on man sounds much better more amp like, just set it low. The clarity and note definition is awesome, I was never a pedal guy always bought amps for there gain channel but when Bogner came out with these I had to try. Sold my Mini rec and bought the blues deluxe put a new speaker in now i have great sounding rig. I have red and bought blue for lower gain and higher gain VH type music.
You have to tinker with the tone pots/boost and gain to dial in your final tone, some complain because they dont use the boost baaawa! leave on man sounds much better more amp like, just set it low. The clarity and note definition is awesome, I was never a pedal guy always bought amps for there gain channel but when Bogner came out with these I had to try. Sold my Mini rec and bought the blues deluxe put a new speaker in now i have great sounding rig. I have red and bought blue for lower gain and higher gain VH type music.
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
No bro, not at all.. Joneser hit it on the head. I was sitting back and waiting for the replies you get.. those pedals have me very enticed as well.
Nice seeing you round!
No bro, not at all.. Joneser hit it on the head. I was sitting back and waiting for the replies you get.. those pedals have me very enticed as well.
Nice seeing you round!
Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
I'm put off w/ the problems people are having with them. That's a lot of coin for a pedal that may or may not work right. I don't know. Unless I find one cheap or hear that they've got the bugs worked out, I'm going to pass for now.
It's good to be back...for the moment. Gotta get away from this place every once in awhile. If not, it consumes you and you get nothing done.
I'm put off w/ the problems people are having with them. That's a lot of coin for a pedal that may or may not work right. I don't know. Unless I find one cheap or hear that they've got the bugs worked out, I'm going to pass for now.
It's good to be back...for the moment. Gotta get away from this place every once in awhile. If not, it consumes you and you get nothing done.
UberMetalDood
New member
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
I've played them all and owned the red one before buying an actual Ecstasy. They are all great pedals. The Blue is a fantastic pedal and a bit more open than the red. The Red pedal has LOTS of versatility as it can go from a pretty mild boost to any amount of distortion you need. The Uberschall has a great sounding distortion but it is capable of lower gain sounds as well. I used to think the red was my favorite, but I honestly wouldn't be happy with just one. I'd have to have all three.
They have plenty of knobs and switches that do a lot to adjust your sound. Depending on the amp and pickups you are using, you can manipulate the controls to get just the right combination. They are a lot of fun to play with.
I have an XTC. I have owned the 101B and the 20th anniversary versions. The pedals have incredible preamps built in to them so you can probably fool any Ecstasy or Uberschall owner with their sound. However, there is a difference between them and the real amps. After using all the pedals, I just had to own and XTC. It's the best amp I ever owned.
In my opinion, the pedals are much more useful than just trying to get an XTC or Uberschall tone. They are quite versatile pedals and a lot more useful if you want to inject some Bogner preamp flavor and distortion into your amp to come up with your own killer tones.
As for Bogner customer service, they have always been good to me. I have never experienced anything of the kind described by Mr9Finger. Maybe that's because I only ever contacted them for amp support. I'm happy as long as they take care of my amps. In any case, the pedals sound incredible.
I've played them all and owned the red one before buying an actual Ecstasy. They are all great pedals. The Blue is a fantastic pedal and a bit more open than the red. The Red pedal has LOTS of versatility as it can go from a pretty mild boost to any amount of distortion you need. The Uberschall has a great sounding distortion but it is capable of lower gain sounds as well. I used to think the red was my favorite, but I honestly wouldn't be happy with just one. I'd have to have all three.
They have plenty of knobs and switches that do a lot to adjust your sound. Depending on the amp and pickups you are using, you can manipulate the controls to get just the right combination. They are a lot of fun to play with.
I have an XTC. I have owned the 101B and the 20th anniversary versions. The pedals have incredible preamps built in to them so you can probably fool any Ecstasy or Uberschall owner with their sound. However, there is a difference between them and the real amps. After using all the pedals, I just had to own and XTC. It's the best amp I ever owned.
In my opinion, the pedals are much more useful than just trying to get an XTC or Uberschall tone. They are quite versatile pedals and a lot more useful if you want to inject some Bogner preamp flavor and distortion into your amp to come up with your own killer tones.
As for Bogner customer service, they have always been good to me. I have never experienced anything of the kind described by Mr9Finger. Maybe that's because I only ever contacted them for amp support. I'm happy as long as they take care of my amps. In any case, the pedals sound incredible.
LReese
Sausage Gravy
Re: Any honest rundowns on the new Bogner pedals?
I own a blue - nice pedal. Still haven't used it with all my amps yet. Sounds mighty fine with an Univalve, Brown Deluxe and a Fuchs ODS. Getting the volume under control with gain has been somewhat a challenge. It can be quite a boost.
I own a blue - nice pedal. Still haven't used it with all my amps yet. Sounds mighty fine with an Univalve, Brown Deluxe and a Fuchs ODS. Getting the volume under control with gain has been somewhat a challenge. It can be quite a boost.
