Assembling the Ultimate Face Melter

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Most of you know that I've been using a Splawn Pro Mod for a long time. I love the amp and it works really well for me. Recently though I learned that a good friend of mine is willing to sell me his Bogner Uberschall for a very reasonable price, and I'm going to take him up on it.

My current goal is to run a bi-amp set-up using both the Pro Mod and the Uber in tandem, through different cabs. I currently own a Splawn straight 4x12 cab and a Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 cab and could run it that way in a giant stack, like so:

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But I'm also considering matching cabinets. I'm a huge fan of the Splawn cabs, so I may decide to sell both of my cabs and buy two splawn vertical 2x12s. It might be easier and more practical to manage. Like so:

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Of course for some crazy reason my drummer is dead-set on both guitarists running full stacks live. "He must be either very brave or completely insane!!" you say. Well friends, I tell you that he is both! Witness the terror:

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Now, before you say "That's way too loud" or "there's no practical application for that much amp" let me tell you:

Shut it. ;)

Kidding, kidding! But seriously, my band is way-underground nigh-instrumental doom thrash and we DON'T get many gigs in nice, fancy bars with huge sound systems. We play a lot of community centers, raunchy dives where they only mic vocals and kick/snare, parties, and basically anywhere else where free beer flows and people love metal. No one eats a meal to our music. No one expects to be able to talk to each other while we play. As I said in a previous thread:

Our music only sounds good through a layer of ear blood.

SO - practicality be ****ed! How would you run these two amps together? Opinions?
 
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<sheepishly>

.................ok, seriously, is this a really bad idea?
 
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The idea here is to systematically turn indoor venues into outdoor venues in about two songs.
 
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you should definitely go with 2 4x12s.


you could also try eqing the amps differently. have one do more highs and the other do more lows. adam jones from tool does this with 3 amps and it sounds great. may get too muddy with another guitar player + bass.
 
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The thing that'll bring you down to earth real fast will be the dragging 2 4x12s around the place yourself.

Try getting a stereo 4x12 and interface the two heads into it with a radial headbone. I do a similar thing on a smaller scale with a 2x12 combo and a head and it delivers a lot of cool tonal variation without major transit hassles or compromise on the sound.

Much will depend on choosing your speakers wisely. The uber was designed around an x pattern of G12T75s and V30s, so I'd go for one each of those, plus whatever works for the Splawns (I find V30s sound nice with the QR, so they may work)...
 
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That's going to be sick, both those amps are kickace. It will be tough to dial that in I'd imagine, but if you do, beware you'll probly never want to play thru another rig unless you quit playing metal. If you do the whole use one amp for lows one for highs, I bet that uberschall will kill set for lows. Let us know how that goes and most importantly record some sound clips so we can hear the carnage. :headbang:
 
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here's an idea

get another 4x12, wire each with 4 jacks, 1 jack for 2 speakers, and then an out for daisy chaining

set each input jack to go to a speaker & then the one on the opposite end, like the bottom left & top right for one & vice versa

then plug each amp into a set 2 speakers from each cab

then EQ the amps to compliment each other.

that'd be B friggin A, would it not?
 
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Oh my gawd!!!



[prays]Dear Lord,
Please protect the small furry mammals, the singing birds, the croaking frogs and the leaping lizards from the havoc SoSomething is about to unleash upon the world. Amen... [/prays]
 
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:banghead: why cant i find good deals!?! :banghead: WHY!?! :banghead: WHY!?! :banghead: THAT SETUP WILL COMPLETELY DECIMATE ANYTHING WITH ELECTRONIC CIRUITS SUCH AS PACEMAKERS AND CELL PHONES AS WELL AS HUMAN HEADS AND HEARTS...


:rocket:



ok...gota little smiley crazy there...anyway...id set up each amp to sound its best for whatever applications...grinding rythm...huge sounding chorus'...screaming solos....gut busting riffs....im guessing each is a two channel? thats just what id do...if one amp is best for ripping solo carnage set it up for that and use that as your "solo amp" and if one is better for grinding out riffs, do the same for that...and if you ever decide you just cant manage using it anymore, id be GLAD to take it off your hands...lol


as far as the cab situation...if it were me, i'd keep your current setup. like somebody said before....lugging 2 4x12's will probably end your guitar career not from snapping your neck from headbanging (iced earth) but ruining your back completely....good luck buddy!
 
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you could also try eqing the amps differently. have one do more highs and the other do more lows.

I don't think I'll try to separate the tones from both amps quite that much. They're both really great, full-spectrum tones and I don't want to hobble either of them with 'just bass' or 'just highs.'

I do plan to EQ them in a way that is complementary to each other, but it'll probably be in how I manage the mids for each amp. The Splawn is very "Marshally" and the Bogner is like the ultimate Recto / 6L6 amp, so I'm not going out on a limb here - it's like a boutique analog to a very tried & true formula.

The thing that'll bring you down to earth real fast will be the dragging 2 4x12s around the place yourself.

You are wise.

Try getting a stereo 4x12 and interface the two heads into it with a radial headbone. I do a similar thing on a smaller scale with a 2x12 combo and a head and it delivers a lot of cool tonal variation without major transit hassles or compromise on the sound.

Much will depend on choosing your speakers wisely. The uber was designed around an x pattern of G12T75s and V30s, so I'd go for one each of those, plus whatever works for the Splawns (I find V30s sound nice with the QR, so they may work)...

It just happens that the Splawn was designed around the same (or similar) speakers/pattern. My Splawn cab has the Eminence Redcoat versions of exactly the speakers you mention.

I've considered pulling the V30s in the G-Flex cab and putting Greenbacks or a Greenback/V30 blend in there, so that's a viable option should I need one.

As for using one stereo 4x12 - that's a really, really valid idea but I'm afraid I must err on the side of destruction and mayhem. I'm already using the 2-cab set-up with my Splawn and the difference in tone and increase in usable headroom makes it mandatory that I keep doing it. :)

as far as the cab situation...if it were me, i'd keep your current setup. like somebody said before....lugging 2 4x12's will probably end your guitar career not from snapping your neck from headbanging (iced earth) but ruining your back completely....good luck buddy!

Yeah, you ain't lying.

I like Drew's idea of wiring up the cabs in stereo, combined with your idea of keeping the 4x12 / 2x12 set-up. Neither of those amps deserves to be disrespected by only being heard through 2 speakers next to the floor. If I could wire it up so both amps shared each cab, well.... Gr8Scott will just have to keep praying. :saeek:
 
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I'm going with:

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It's still up in the air whether I'll run the cabs this way:

(Splawn -> 4x12) / (Bogner -> 2x12)

or if I'll wire the cabs up so it's a left/right split between both amps and cabs, but I WILL be using an A/B/Y box and running both amps at once. I'm giddy just thinking about it.
 
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still seems like kind of a waste to me to only hear a bogner at floor level

it's like havin a diamond toe ring
 
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