Attenuator?

JonnyG92

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What exactly does an attenuator do? Use small words and colorful pictures please.

I'm reading up on 'em and the message I'm getting is "Don't buy this, it'll take away gain, ruin your tone, and maybe blow a couple tubes and fuses."

What I'm hoping to hear is "It makes your big scary 50w or 100w sound suitable for a smaller environment without destroying your tone."
 
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Well there are a bunch of different methods starting from just having plain resistors. And ending by using an actual speaker coil so that it "behaves" more like a speaker. A coil behaves differently when absorbing D/C (like amp output) than a plain resistor does.

It should be safe to use as long as you do not continue playing the amp when output ceased. That's a general rule for tube amps, don't run them without properly connected speakers.

It seems clearly to be that the simple devices with just resistors are much safer, because it's easy to kill a coil. I don't think the latter is a big risk, though and in any case just stop playing when you don't hear anything anymore.

Then there's speaker simulators which is load plus a filter/eq so that you can go to a line-in.
 
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you take your head, plug it into the attenuator (a weber mass is the correct one imnsho), then plug your speaker into the attenuator.

crank your amp up to get the tone you want then use the attenuator to bring the volume down to where it needs to be.

Don't buy this, it'll take away gain, ruin your tone, and maybe blow a couple tubes and fuses.
this is bull****. it doesnt take away gain, only volume. it will not ruin your tone although the more you lower the volume, the more your tone will change. if you are blowing tubes or fuses your amp has problems that have nothing to do with the attenuator.

what an attenuator does is take your full amp output and split it between your speakers and the "resistive device" in the attenuator. this is what uopt was talking about.

you are running your amp at what ever it says on the volume. so on your 50w marshall 1987 you want it cranked up to 10 with channels jumped. when you do that it means your amp is working really really hard and generating lots of heat and other punishing things. this is where the bs about blowing tubes and fuses comes in. your amp is working really hard, if it has problems then they are going to show up under these circumstances. if your amp is fine you are working your tubes really hard and the life will be shorter than if you ran the amp volume on 3. none of this has anything to do with the attenuator, just the fact you are running your amp full throttle.


the "ruin your tone" bs either comes from a ****ty attenuator or from the fact that if you knock the volume down too much then your ears dont hear things the same way and your speaker isnt getting pushed as hard so it isnt putting out the same sound. this might also be where the "lose gain" bs comes from. if you have a 25w speaker that you are pushing really hard then youll get some speaker distortion, if you dont push the speaker then you will lose that. again its not the attenuator thats changing things, its the lower volume hitting the speaker. having said that, most attenuators do color the tone a little but not as much as many people want you to believe.

so the bottom line is that a good attenuator will take your raging tube amp and bring down the volume. how much you take it down will effect how different it sounds. overall i think they work very well for what they are but dont expect a 50w marshall to sound the same at big stage volume as it does in your bedroom. i see their best utility as allowing you to basically get the feel and tone you want at levels that will work in most live gigging or full volume practice situations.
 
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Weber has a really good explanation of what an attenuator can and can't do on their site. To paraphrase: the sound of a cranked tube amp comes from four things -- overdriven preamp tubes, overdriven power tubes, speaker distortion and the way our ears hear loud things differently from soft things. An attenuator allows you to get the first two of those, but NOT the second two. Which is still one more than an amp with a Master Volume allows on its own.
 
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Thanks for those great explanatons. Would a VVR (power scaling) type thing give the same benifits.
 
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I had Nik at Ceriatone offer this to me as an option and I was not familiar with it. I want to make sure it does work before I give it the green light. If it just works in theory I'm not sure thats a viable option. I'm not that familiar with the skills Nik has. I've read great things about him though, so he probably knows what he's talking about.
 
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So I can unleash the beast and keep the volume levels moderately low without sacrificing a goat in the name of Lord Tone?

Even with the attenuator, I don't think I'd jump the volume past 4 if anything. I just need a good, ear-friendly, Ultra, cleans, and Marshall crunch at volumes that won't kill my neighbors' cat. All of my neighbors' cats actually.

So basically, perform a check on my amp, solder anything that looks weak, make sure everything's green-to-go, plug the attenuator between the head and the speakers, and then only play guitar if the amp is ON and the speakers are giving me some output. Verdad?
 
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What exactly does an attenuator do? Use small words and colorful pictures please.

I'm reading up on 'em and the message I'm getting is "Don't buy this, it'll take away gain, ruin your tone, and maybe blow a couple tubes and fuses."

What I'm hoping to hear is "It makes your big scary 50w or 100w sound suitable for a smaller environment without destroying your tone."

Yeah, it makes your big scary 50 or 100 watt amp not so scary
 
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Don't forget that you overdrive your speakers quite a bit, too. It'll never be the actual same.
 
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But will I still get a good Marshall roar or even some over-the-top distortion? You said it won't sound the same, but will it sound good or even great? I'm running a 30w 1x8 bass amp, I think anything could be an upgrade.
 
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