basement practice setup?

cronnin

cronnin

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I connected a good preamp to the send/returt effect loop on the power mixer so that both guitars could utilise its benefits :) Both guitars did sound OK individually, but when played simultaneosly it was awful, it sounds like an electronic battle :)

So I tried the same with a pedal and multiprocessor and outcome was the same. All effects ( delay, flanger, tremolo..etc) sounded good on coulpe of instruments simultanously, but no overdrive or distorsion could work like that.

Is there any way for that combination to work, or every guitar must have a separate overdrive circuit?
 
Re: basement practice setup?

how bout this ... use one distortion pedal for each guitar, into it's own channel of the powered mixer. everyone should have a couple of dirtboxes handy. borrow if you have to.
 
Re: basement practice setup?

Yes, that was the original setup, but I was not satisfied with the sound. The idea was to take one $200 preamp instead two new $100 pedals, if both guitar could use the upgrade.
I thought we could use a good preamp pedal ( maybe Duncan or H&K tube distortion for beginning) for both guitars, cause I've already used delay and compressor that way ( send/return FX loop on the power-mixer).

I was thinking - if you hit one string with high gain, sounds OK; if you hit two- it sounds OK; well then what could be the difference if the sound is mixed before the gain stage, and one tone comes from the first, and the other from the second guitar. The pedal ( preamp, processor, etc...) can't tell the difference :)
I was obviously wrong! The **** thing's got a router inside :)
 
Re: basement practice setup?

you're right, it gets mushed in the gain stage. it's only seeing one signal and it applies the gain/eq on that one signal. the result is pure mush

on the other hand, you will not get a great sound out of a PA setup. not set up the way you have it. if you have something like a POD for each guitar, then you'll get a good sound (assuming that your patches sound good)
 
Re: basement practice setup?

We do have amps. I have tried the line out from my Vox Valvetronix to power-mixer and it sounds much better on the big speakers.

We use this power mixer for vocals and bass:

http://www.behringer.com/PMH3000/index.cfm?lang=eng


The speakers themself have stands and the sound is much more consistent in the room. On the contrary, my small 30W Vox is losing highs as soon as you move away from the speaker axis.


Thats when I got the idea to play around the send/return loop on power mixer. We also have a Zoom and Digitech multi-effect processors, and they both sound lame. We intented to sell all that stuff and get a good preamps, probably tube , maybe something like this (or whatever) :

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Randall-Ultra-Module-?sku=180276


I don't know. I think we have overperformed our solid-state amps, but since we don't have enough money for all-tube equipement, we are just experimenting with possibilities. I recently got this Vox Valvetronix AD-30 which is hybrid amp, and it has 12ax7 tube in the preamp section, but that is just not enough for me (though some amps modelled in it are quite good)

I need an all-tube halfstack :)

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-ValveKing-Half-Stack?sku=485058


Thanx guys for helping, but I've got to find a job now :)
 
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