Beefier PAF

fourdogslong

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Hi there, I am assembling a warmoth LP right now.
It has a Korina body with maple top and a wenge neck with ebony fingerboard.
It also has a long scale to accommodate my big hands.

It is not 100% set up but it's almost there so I already have an idea of its unplugged tone.

As you can see I was not trying to nail the LP sound at 100%, I wanted some sort of cross between an R7 gold top and a Custom.

Compared to a Gibson my guitar seems to have lots of sustain which I like but it lacks some "honk", the hi-mids and the highs are pretty good, the low-mids and lows are there but not as much as a Gibson. The long scale has probably a lot to do with this.

I don't have first hand experience with a lot of PAF, in fact, I come from playing strats and tele so Humbuckers in general are new to me.
I listened to tons of clips of PAF style pickups, some of them seem too bright but some seem to be great! I like the ones that remain clear but that aren't thin.

It is my understanding that PAF in general are pretty bright, to accommodate the warmer sound of Gibson LP.
Everybody seem to want the brightest PAF they can get and I understand why if they are gonna use it in a warm LP.

My guitar isn't warm so I am looking for a PAF that has great details, not overly bright but not dark either and that would actually ADD lows and low-mid punch without being hot. Something punchy to compensate for the long scale.
I am not looking for a Van Halen tone at all, even though it sounds good that's really not what I want. I like old and dirty tone. Think weezer "The blue album", that tone has some serious balls to it without sounding modern. It was a P90 if I recall correctly. I like the tone from QOTSA, Jack White, I also like Led Zep but it often sounds thin to me, there are so many that I like... They're all on the vintage side in general, that's why I don't want a hot modern pickup.

I did lots of researches up to now but I need help... I listened to all the clips I could find, SD antiquity, Tom Holmes, Throbak, Stephens Design, Skatterbrane... you name it but they are almost always used in a Gibson which makes it hard to imagine how they would sound in my guitar.
Any idea?
 
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ok its not a PAF persay but im told the JB has a warm tone and my friend plays classic rock and he uses a JB so my guess says a JB would be considerable?
 
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ok its not a PAF persay but im told the JB has a warm tone and my friend plays classic rock and he uses a JB so my guess says a JB would be considerable?

No, it's very high output, twice the ohms of a PAF, and JB's are very hit or miss in mahogany. Sometimes they sound terrible.

And yes, PAF's are generally bright and a little thin in the bridge, but you can cure that with two 250K pots on the bridge PU, or getting a '59B (a great PAF) and putting in an UOA5 magnet. Either one will give you a wamer, fuller bridge tone.
 
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ok its not a PAF persay but im told the JB has a warm tone and my friend plays classic rock and he uses a JB so my guess says a JB would be considerable?

I used one already in another guitar and I thought it was bright but not clear, it was also too hot for me... it distorted the input of my marshall MKII.
 
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Beefy PAF = '78 model or Brobucker in the SD line. You could say the "Custom" series (Custom, Custom Custom and Custom 5---same wind, different magnets) are another kind of "beefed up PAF vibe" sort of thing. You might just go with a P90 and swap in an Alnico 8 in one of the magnet slots. To me, a P-90 is like a humbucker that doesn't remove the top end bite and has 2 bar magnets that allow you to tune the EQ with different combos of magnets, if you're into that sort of thing.
 
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No, it's very high output, twice the ohms of a PAF, and JB's are very hit or miss in mahogany. Sometimes they sound terrible.

And yes, PAF's are generally bright and a little thin in the bridge, but you can cure that with two 250K pots on the bridge PU, or getting a '59B (a great PAF) and putting in an UOA5 magnet. Either one will give you a wamer, fuller bridge tone.

I think I rather preserve my highs and accentuate my body, my lows and low-mid with the pickup. So I am more aimed at 500K pot at the moment.

What does the UOA5 do to the tone? I'm new to that sort of thing.
thanks
 
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Beefy PAF = '78 model or Brobucker in the SD line. You could say the "Custom" series (Custom, Custom Custom and Custom 5---same wind, different magnets) are another kind of "beefed up PAF vibe" sort of thing. You might just go with a P90 and swap in an Alnico 8 in one of the magnet slots. To me, a P-90 is like a humbucker that doesn't remove the top end bite and has 2 bar magnets that allow you to tune the EQ with different combos of magnets, if you're into that sort of thing.

I prefer to stay with humbucker for now because that was the whole point of that guitar, I want those humbucker harmonics and the less noise they have.

What's the difference between the 78 and the brockucker? Are they still low output?
Thanks
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't dimarzio pafs a bit beefier and notably less bright than duncans? That was always my impression, haven't tried them though. I'm thinking 36th anniversary or Air Classic.
 
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I prefer to stay with humbucker for now because that was the whole point of that guitar, I want those humbucker harmonics and the less noise they have.

What's the difference between the 78 and the brockucker? Are they still low output?
Thanks

The '78 is wound to about 9K with balanced coils and the BroBucker is wound to 10k with slightly mis-matched coils. Both are higher output than a standard PAF type but are not "distortion" pickups. I'd also consider the "Custom range" such as the Custom Custom a "moderate output" humbucker with better harmonics. The '78 is sometimes considered "dark" and "aggressive" but doesn't have the compression of a JB or something like that.
 
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PATB-3 Blues Saraceno is another good beefier PAF. A lot like an overwound '59 that's managed not to lose the high end. Plus all the advantages of the Parallel Axis design.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't dimarzio pafs a bit beefier and notably less bright than duncans? That was always my impression, haven't tried them though. I'm thinking 36th anniversary or Air Classic.

yes the DIM 36th bridge is hotter and beefier than a traditional PAF and is definitely a good choice for any that want the PAF tone with more beef:14:
 
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Riograndes Barbecue bucker is also good to look at for that hot PAF sound. Its more traditional sounding than most of the hot SD designs it fills the gap between a traditional PAF and high output humbucker sound.
 
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Riograndes Barbecue bucker is also good to look at for that hot PAF sound. Its more traditional sounding than most of the hot SD designs it fills the gap between a traditional PAF and high output humbucker sound.

I always wanted to try one of those in a strat with floydt:cool2:
 
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Welcome to the forum.

I think a safe bet for something you'd like in that guitar is a Custom Custom/Seth Lover N. It's basically a warm and toneful sounding set for bright-ish LP style guitar. Alnico 2 warmth, with a PAF neck and slightly thicker sounding bridge.

The Custom Custom is also used by Josh Homme from Queens of the Stone Age.
 
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The '78 is wound to about 9K with balanced coils and the BroBucker is wound to 10k with slightly mis-matched coils. Both are higher output than a standard PAF type but are not "distortion" pickups. I'd also consider the "Custom range" such as the Custom Custom a "moderate output" humbucker with better harmonics. The '78 is sometimes considered "dark" and "aggressive" but doesn't have the compression of a JB or something like that.

I see, and both have a more lows than a 59 for example?

The more I play with different setup on my guitar the more I think I'll have to wait until it's perfectly set up before I choose my pickup.
One think I know though is that I don't want to tame my highs, I might not want to "boost" them though.
 
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PATB-3 Blues Saraceno is another good beefier PAF. A lot like an overwound '59 that's managed not to lose the high end. Plus all the advantages of the Parallel Axis design.

It seems to sound good but I prefer to stay with the classic look of a humbucker with its cover on.
 
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