Best Beginner Metal Amp + Guitar Combo

aheadbanger4life

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First time poster, long time metalhead. After being an avid metal fan for over a decade, I decided to pick up the guitar and start playing for myself 2 weeks ago. I went to guitar center to look around and the clerk highly recommended this forum as THE best source for all guitar knowledge.

From my basic understanding, the easiest way to get a general idea of what equipment to buy is from what type of music you eventually hope to play. Hands down my favorite band of all time is Children of Bodom. Obviously I won't be shredding like Alexi any time soon (if ever, haha), but after playing on my brother's Epiphone SG (meh) for starting out, it's pretty warped and I'm definitely going to need a guitar of my own. He plays his Dean Razorback Dimeback now which sounds much cleaner and is more the style I'm looking for. What I'm looking for isn't just a practice/beginner guitar, but something that will challenge me and last long enough to test my skills. My tentative budget is in the $300 - $500 price range, however, I'd much rather dish out a little extra cash for a guitar that will last and ultimately provide the sound I want when trying to learn the styles of Bodom, Insomnium, Disarmonia Mundi, Pantera, Slipknot, and obviously Metallica. I would also like to have something with some versatility for playing blues, jazz, etc. if my taste changes later on down the road and isn't confined to strictly metal. I can already tell that I'm likely going to eventually get either the SD Blackout or Dimebucker pickups too.

From my limited research, the first 4 guitars to catch my metal eye are the ESP LTD Alexi-200 Alexi Laiho Signature Series, Dean Dave Mustaine VMNTX Electric Guitar, and the Ibanez RG3EXFM1 AND RG350DX Electric Guitar. From what I've been reading about the Laiho Series, it seems to be pretty limited to metal and lacking the versatility I want in a beginner's guitar, and is likely too advanced for me at this point. The Dean seems to have positive reviews across the board, with the thin neck for sweeping and staying in tune for a long time, which is a constant problem with my SG. Last but not least are both the Ibanez guitars. The RG3EXFM1 seems to have the most versatility, and probably the best fit for a beginning crossover guitar. However, the RG350DX has all the same positives with the most power, but is the most expensive at $450. All four are within my price range and seem to offer what I'm looking for. I'm leaning mostly towards either of the Ibanez guitars and am going to try them out this week. I'm obviously very new to the world of picking the best musical equipment, so any feedback on any of these guitars or better suggestions for a beginning metal enthusiast will be met with open ears. I'm also going to post in the amp section about picking the best beginner's metal amp (currently leaning towards the Line 6 Spider Valve IV 30 30W), but I didn't want to clutter this thread as there hopefully will be plenty feedback.

Any discussions, opinions, and/or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again everyone for your time!! :thanks:
 
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Glad you like COB, makes us Finns proud.

All of those guitars are pretty reasonable for you situation. But they are very different and now it comes down to what you are really looking for and what you need.

Ltd Alexi and Ibby RG350DX both have Floyd Rose type bridges which are cool trcik machines but they can be a bit daunting for beginners because they are a bit difficult to restring at first. My first guitar had Floyd Rose and I got over it and I love them now. Some of us here think, less moving parts is better.

The other two, Dean and RG3EXFM1, have fixed bridges which much easier to handle. Restringing it is very easy, when you bend one string they other WON'T detune, which it does on the floyds. (they do however keep the tuning very well) These are pretty straight-forward rock guitars which may be better for beginners. Alxei is pretty cool looking guitar but lacks in versatility because of just one pickup. Ibby RG350DX is by far the most versatlile of those four and would last the longest and provide you the sounds you need.

Personally I would get either of the Ibanez's. If you're ready to put more effort in the Floyd Rose bridge it would reward you with most versatile sounds (RG350DX). But if you want simpler yet very effective guitar the other Ibby would be good (RG3EXFM1).

Btw, the Line6 would be perfect amp if you can afford it. It'll give very versatile sounds because it has some effects built-in and it has valves. I couldn't think of a better amp right now.
 
Re: Best Beginner Metal Amp + Guitar Combo

if you are just starting out
I would suggest a modeling pedal
with a headphone jack
no need to bother the neighbors with your learning curve

and a drum track for timing

a selection of amp models and effects experiment with
 
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I think the best brand for beginners is schecter c series, especially if you can get a used hellraiser which is already loaded with active pickups. They also make lower end omens.

What I like about these is that they have a plain classic look, no pointy no bendy, you can evolve as a musician with a schecter from all out metal to jazz and country and never look or sound out of place. I think a schecter is your best bet in this price range.

A small modeling amp goes without saying for a beginner who wants to play metal.
 
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I second Schecter for a first guitar. I've always like the C1 Classic but that's an old model. Something current would be just as good.

The modelling pedal is also a way to go so you can have tons of practice time without driving everyone within ear shot insane.
 
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The guitar is something you need to decide on for yourself due to the "feel"
you have to decide what feels right in your hands?
Amp wise,i would say LINE 6 or VOX modeling amps since they both get a good tone and have all the bells and whistles you will need to experiment.
 
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A schecter 007 and a Microcube would be a nice setup.

It is a pretty inexpensive setup and you can do a lot of cool stuff with the Microcube. If you would like to use headphones then you can plug straight into the amp.
 
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For first guitar hands down LTD or Schecter. They usually come fully stocked with components you want/need and there's no real need to upgrade it. They usually come stock with tonepros, sperzel/grover tuners, SD/EMG pickups, etc.

If you can score an LTD in the 400 series on the used for cheap, you'll be set for a while
 
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Yeah, if I had it to do over again I would've gotten a Schecter for my first guitar. It's kind of funny actually because I was torn between a Schecter and the guitar I ended up buying, weird.

On the amp, get a one of those line 6 or vox modeling amps like the other guys said if you just want to practice for the moment. If you start trying to get a band together or something, you may want to upgrade that.
 
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Are you SURE you want a floyd/edge on your first "good" guitar? i strongly suggest you not go that route. While it may look as cool as Alexi's sharkfin, at the $500 range, you won't get the same tremsetter as the Ibanez Prestige Series. Or, on a Licensed Floyd, you won't get the same construction or build quality. You'll spend more time wondering why the damn thing won't stay in tune after every divebomb.

I'll say the same thing as I did with amp selection.

Start slow, learn the basics. Get a guitar that is bulletproof and doesn't require more maintenance/tweaking than it gets play time.

That said, my #1 pick for medium tier budget guitar is the Dean Angel of Deth II. That thing not only looks killer, but plays amazing. The Dean livewire copy pickups aren't too shabby either. If you can afford it, spend a little more on a VMNT or Zero (korean made) some of the best metal guitars on the market. Stay away from the VMNT "X." Bolt-on vs set-neck on a V. Shltty all around.
 
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Re: Best Beginner Metal Amp + Guitar Combo

if you are just starting out
I would suggest a modeling pedal
with a headphone jack
no need to bother the neighbors with your learning curve

and a drum track for timing


a selection of amp models and effects experiment with

This. ^^^^
 
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For similar reason, ...

What I like about these is that they have a plain classic look, no pointy no bendy, ...

I suggest Ibanez ARZ400:
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... and Roland Microcube. Well, actually I like the idea you play Metallica with Dean Dave Mustaine though :naughty:
 
Re: Best Beginner Metal Amp + Guitar Combo

Nobody has asked who the clerk that referred him to the SDUGF was?!
 
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I would get a used Jackson DK2 and a cheap, small modelling amp. You could probably be able to find a Jackson RR5, used, in that price range as well, but I would steer clear of the bolt on RR models, they just dont feel as good.

Another good shout would be a used Epiphone Les Paul, they will do anything from blues to metal and are good instruments for the money if you stick a couple of Duncan pickups in there.
 
Re: Best Beginner Metal Amp + Guitar Combo

if you are just starting out
I would suggest a modeling pedal
with a headphone jack
no need to bother the neighbors with your learning curve

and a drum track for timing

a selection of amp models and effects experiment with

This is what I did. I think it works well enough.
 
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Check out the Digitech RP series, they're modeling pedals with headphone outs. I'd also go the Ibanez route for a beginner guitar, because those things can do a lot.
 
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Peavey Vypyr 30 or 75 for the amp. Simply nothing you can't achieve with these amps, super easy to use and well under $300 brand new, even for the 75W version! Used prices are even better!

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I started out on a late-'80s Ibanez RG570 with the original EDGE bridge and it was a bit difficult to understand the concept of the Floyd Rose type bridge back when I was starting out and could barely figure out how to make a chord. However, once I got a feel for how to work with that bridge, change strings and adjust it, I absolutely loved it!

If you absolutey MUST have a trem-equipped guitar and like offset-V's, the Jackson RR3 is more versatile and better finished than the Alexi-200. On the used market, they can be found ridiculously cheap. I agree wholeheartedly with Varg that the absolute best feeling/playing RR type guitars are the neck-through models, but the RR3 is no slouch in the quality or performance department and they come loaded with Seymour Duncan pickups from the factory!

I still recommend a fixed bridge model for the least maintenance. If you can find a good deal on a fixed-bridge Jackson RR5, you'd be good to go for a long time with much more versatility (has both bridge and neck pickups) vs. the Alexi series (bridge pickup only).
 
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