Best Speaker Cabinet Wire?
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MetalManiac
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That90'sGuy
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I'm actually with Jerry on this one. I've experienced differences in sound with cables ranging from power applications to mic, guitar and speaker applications.
I actually notice more of a difference with speaker cables than I do most stuff. For instance, power cable differences are really a rip off, those will give you very subtle changes and cost you a lot of money. Guitar and effects chain cables make a difference, but not as much as speaker.
So, talk as much smack as you want about quality cable, but I noticed a big difference with this stuff:
http://www.mulderaudio.com/
I'm actually with Jerry on this one. I've experienced differences in sound with cables ranging from power applications to mic, guitar and speaker applications.
I actually notice more of a difference with speaker cables than I do most stuff. For instance, power cable differences are really a rip off, those will give you very subtle changes and cost you a lot of money. Guitar and effects chain cables make a difference, but not as much as speaker.
So, talk as much smack as you want about quality cable, but I noticed a big difference with this stuff:
http://www.mulderaudio.com/
Dark Order Lord
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Hahahaha.... I am resurrecting a dead thread...... Boo hoo
I am not here to agree with the majority here, those whom think that there is no sound difference between speaker cables.
In my 27 years experience with my band , dark order, studying at JMC Academy of Audio Engineering, working for various guitar and music instrument shops, recording 3 albums, befriending great amp techs, luthiers ect.. I can defiantly say that every human being is unique, and to that, they all hear differently from on another.
That being said, to me, those who cannot hear the difference between cables, especially speaker cables, are the same caliber of tone deaf people who cannot tell the difference between a digital amp, like Kemper, and a real analogue amp.
I on the other hand, hear everything, and it's my blessing and my curse.
Like Metal Maniac, I too am on the hunt for good quality, well insulated OFC internal speaker harness with for my cabs, without resorting to spending $150 USD for Colossal Cable's speaker harness:
https://colossalcable.com/product/purist-speaker-harness-4-x-12-halfstack/
Years ago I replaced the wire in my Marshall cabs with cable I purchased from Bunnings, I noticed more bottom end, sound slightly broader sounding. Then just before recording my last album, I talked to my amp tech who said to use mains cable of the internal wire, and when I made the changes I immediately heard the mids sound more open sounding and clearer. I was happy with the change.
In regard to Head to cabinet speaker cable, I have purchased and trying CBI figure 8 with switch craft connectors - which made the sound have tight low end, but the overall sound was like a wet blanket effect.
I then purchased Planet Waves speaker cable which had this scooped mids sound that just sucked for my Marshalls, absolute ****.
Then I purchased Klotz cable, forgot the name, but it has blue jacks, and they have full mids, but a slow transient attack to them which isn't suited for Thrash Metal, but would works well for Blues and Rock.
I then bought from Sydney Sound Cables their Canare cable with switch craft ends, which gave the amp a very harsh high end attack, I think they are better suited for Bass rigs, so I gave them to my Bassist.
As all those speaker cable are more are than $50 each, I decided to try the cheap speaker cable from Swamp Industries, try to make a point like all those here that believe that cheap 'lamp cord' suffice as speaker cable. Well let me tell you these cables have no body, or bottom end, just high mids. They make your sound like bright ****. So NO to cheap speaker cable.
Then my luthier mate put me on to two brands, one very good, and the other ****ing spectacular
The very good brand is Germany's SOMMER CABLES, their speaker cable has clear detailed mids, quick transient attack, and transperant low end. $40 per cable, great for Thrash Metal.
Then I also tried the Colossal Cable 'Colossus' which made me **** my pants. I have never heard an amp sound soooo ****ing huge. Un****enbeleivable. BUT, for thrash metal, the low end and low mids were too large and fat, but for rock.....holy fuuuuugen he'll. WORTH THE MONEY.
I then purchased the LAVA cables 'Tephra' and for my music style, it was right in the pocket. Tight low end, fat fat sparkly mids, and detailed top end without any harshness, and a very pleasing punch.
So that's my experience, not direct at those here who believe speaker cable don't make a difference, but really for the dude that made the post originally, I hope it gives you answers that you were originally looking for.
Good luck mate ��
Hahahaha.... I am resurrecting a dead thread...... Boo hoo
I am not here to agree with the majority here, those whom think that there is no sound difference between speaker cables.
In my 27 years experience with my band , dark order, studying at JMC Academy of Audio Engineering, working for various guitar and music instrument shops, recording 3 albums, befriending great amp techs, luthiers ect.. I can defiantly say that every human being is unique, and to that, they all hear differently from on another.
That being said, to me, those who cannot hear the difference between cables, especially speaker cables, are the same caliber of tone deaf people who cannot tell the difference between a digital amp, like Kemper, and a real analogue amp.
I on the other hand, hear everything, and it's my blessing and my curse.
Like Metal Maniac, I too am on the hunt for good quality, well insulated OFC internal speaker harness with for my cabs, without resorting to spending $150 USD for Colossal Cable's speaker harness:
https://colossalcable.com/product/purist-speaker-harness-4-x-12-halfstack/
Years ago I replaced the wire in my Marshall cabs with cable I purchased from Bunnings, I noticed more bottom end, sound slightly broader sounding. Then just before recording my last album, I talked to my amp tech who said to use mains cable of the internal wire, and when I made the changes I immediately heard the mids sound more open sounding and clearer. I was happy with the change.
In regard to Head to cabinet speaker cable, I have purchased and trying CBI figure 8 with switch craft connectors - which made the sound have tight low end, but the overall sound was like a wet blanket effect.
I then purchased Planet Waves speaker cable which had this scooped mids sound that just sucked for my Marshalls, absolute ****.
Then I purchased Klotz cable, forgot the name, but it has blue jacks, and they have full mids, but a slow transient attack to them which isn't suited for Thrash Metal, but would works well for Blues and Rock.
I then bought from Sydney Sound Cables their Canare cable with switch craft ends, which gave the amp a very harsh high end attack, I think they are better suited for Bass rigs, so I gave them to my Bassist.
As all those speaker cable are more are than $50 each, I decided to try the cheap speaker cable from Swamp Industries, try to make a point like all those here that believe that cheap 'lamp cord' suffice as speaker cable. Well let me tell you these cables have no body, or bottom end, just high mids. They make your sound like bright ****. So NO to cheap speaker cable.
Then my luthier mate put me on to two brands, one very good, and the other ****ing spectacular
The very good brand is Germany's SOMMER CABLES, their speaker cable has clear detailed mids, quick transient attack, and transperant low end. $40 per cable, great for Thrash Metal.
Then I also tried the Colossal Cable 'Colossus' which made me **** my pants. I have never heard an amp sound soooo ****ing huge. Un****enbeleivable. BUT, for thrash metal, the low end and low mids were too large and fat, but for rock.....holy fuuuuugen he'll. WORTH THE MONEY.
I then purchased the LAVA cables 'Tephra' and for my music style, it was right in the pocket. Tight low end, fat fat sparkly mids, and detailed top end without any harshness, and a very pleasing punch.
So that's my experience, not direct at those here who believe speaker cable don't make a difference, but really for the dude that made the post originally, I hope it gives you answers that you were originally looking for.
Good luck mate ��
GuitarStv
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Re: Best Speaker Cabinet Wire?
My experience is that when a blind test is done, it's not possible for anyone I know to tell the difference between fancy cable and soldered coat hangar.
This is why most audiophile testing is done with great visibility of the products being tested. If you don't see the expensive stuff, you certainly don't hear it - which means it's really hard to come up with fancy words to justify having bought it. Placebo is a hell of a drug.
My experience is that when a blind test is done, it's not possible for anyone I know to tell the difference between fancy cable and soldered coat hangar.
This is why most audiophile testing is done with great visibility of the products being tested. If you don't see the expensive stuff, you certainly don't hear it - which means it's really hard to come up with fancy words to justify having bought it. Placebo is a hell of a drug.
IMENATOR
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Re: Best Speaker Cabinet Wire?
I did an A-B test some time ago and compared a 1.5 meter Fender speaker cable with cheapo 6 meter "ProSound" brand made in Mexico of the same thickness and a couple of Switchcraft plugs soldered in the store. I could not tell the difference. For what I read being the speaker electrical signal so much bigger then instrument/line levels it is way less subject of electrical interference, just use the proper thickness to avoid losses caused by resistance cause capacitance is not the problem here, there are lots of tables on the internet on how to choose cable speaker thickness based on distance.
I did an A-B test some time ago and compared a 1.5 meter Fender speaker cable with cheapo 6 meter "ProSound" brand made in Mexico of the same thickness and a couple of Switchcraft plugs soldered in the store. I could not tell the difference. For what I read being the speaker electrical signal so much bigger then instrument/line levels it is way less subject of electrical interference, just use the proper thickness to avoid losses caused by resistance cause capacitance is not the problem here, there are lots of tables on the internet on how to choose cable speaker thickness based on distance.
Dark Order Lord
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Trust me that is crap. It doesn't matter where the cable is made, but HOW they are made. If you try a Sommer speaker cable, Lava Tephra, Mogami, or better still, Colossal Cable Colossus, you won't believe your ears
Trust me that is crap. It doesn't matter where the cable is made, but HOW they are made. If you try a Sommer speaker cable, Lava Tephra, Mogami, or better still, Colossal Cable Colossus, you won't believe your ears
Re: Best Speaker Cabinet Wire?
What exactly is sub-par about #14 copper wire? Whether it's 'lamp cord' or $300 cryogenically frozen wire made by Tibetan monks locked in a monastery? High-end audio BS is just that...you are amplifying your signal through speakers with an effective bandwidth from 60 Hz to maybe 6K. Not exactly high fidelity...
What exactly is sub-par about #14 copper wire? Whether it's 'lamp cord' or $300 cryogenically frozen wire made by Tibetan monks locked in a monastery? High-end audio BS is just that...you are amplifying your signal through speakers with an effective bandwidth from 60 Hz to maybe 6K. Not exactly high fidelity...
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Well, for one, it leaves the snake-oil vendors out of work and sucking up the government assistance that the rest of us could use right now.
IMENATOR
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You may be right but on the other hand lucky me I am not exactly disappointed with my tone yet on the speaker cable department. Ignorance is blessing.
You may be right but on the other hand lucky me I am not exactly disappointed with my tone yet on the speaker cable department. Ignorance is blessing.
NegativeEase
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Back in the early 90s, there was a known studio engineer who was touting how he could hear the difference in Oxygen free Mogami cable with silver solder -so one day other house engineers swapped out his new reference monitor cables with regular brown 18AWG lamp cord and let him brag about his new tracking and mixes for a month on this setup before they broke it to him.
Back in the early 90s, there was a known studio engineer who was touting how he could hear the difference in Oxygen free Mogami cable with silver solder -so one day other house engineers swapped out his new reference monitor cables with regular brown 18AWG lamp cord and let him brag about his new tracking and mixes for a month on this setup before they broke it to him.
Jacew
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The required gauge for speaker cable is definitely legit question.
I don't reallly understand well those US measures, but as long as it's thick enough and copper, it's good.
There is calculators in web that give some insight to the effect of lenght vs. diameter.
I like to go 0,5 - 1,5 mm above suggested just in case and for added sturdiness.
The required gauge for speaker cable is definitely legit question.
I don't reallly understand well those US measures, but as long as it's thick enough and copper, it's good.
There is calculators in web that give some insight to the effect of lenght vs. diameter.
I like to go 0,5 - 1,5 mm above suggested just in case and for added sturdiness.
