Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
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ehdwuld
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Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
waddaya mean play nice?
in phase?
what?
the Carvins I have ( S22j neck and S22b bridge )
had to have the hot/ground swapped to "play nice" withe the Fender vintage stacked single
is this what you are refering to?
waddaya mean play nice?
in phase?
what?
the Carvins I have ( S22j neck and S22b bridge )
had to have the hot/ground swapped to "play nice" withe the Fender vintage stacked single
is this what you are refering to?
Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
Did you say you also had some guitars with Carvin humbuckers & a Duncan middle? or some other combination?
Or maybe somebody else has a guitar like that?
Was anything done differently to make them work together?
I'm also thinking since the pickup is new, & the DC readings I've taken are correct, the most likely thing to be "broken" right from the factory would be some wire hooked up backwards. - Plus, I've checked everything else about my guitar wiring..
So that is my logic in trying all these wiring combinations.
Yes. That's what I'm asking.
Did you say you also had some guitars with Carvin humbuckers & a Duncan middle? or some other combination?
Or maybe somebody else has a guitar like that?
Was anything done differently to make them work together?
I'm also thinking since the pickup is new, & the DC readings I've taken are correct, the most likely thing to be "broken" right from the factory would be some wire hooked up backwards. - Plus, I've checked everything else about my guitar wiring..
So that is my logic in trying all these wiring combinations.
ACH91332
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Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
If by "work better" you mean be less noisy than like I said in your other thread it wont sound much different wired out of phase. It wont sound good with other pickups that are in phase too. The Lil '59 people say is noisy. It's just the pickup. If by "work better" you mean as far as tone goes its not cutting it well wiring in parallel will make it brighter and thats all you can really do as far as altering the tone. That and splitting it which is noisy and a direction I don't think you want to go judging by your last thread.
If its a tone thing well try another pickup but if its noise well if the other pickups are fine with hum and the '59 isn't you might have to try another pickup too.
If you are going for a PAF vibe in the middle then you might want to go to Dimarzio they have a lot of Strat sized buckers that cancel hum well. I would look at the Dimarzio Pro Track if I were you. It's supposed to be a PAF sounding rail bucker. Joe Satriani uses it in the neck of his new 24 fret JS model from Ibanez. I think it sounds pretty badass and reminds me of the PAF Joe which is a little brighter than the PAF Pro he used to use. Satch is a PAF guy so for him to use it in the neck on his 24 fret model it's because it's got a good PAF vibe.
If by "work better" you mean be less noisy than like I said in your other thread it wont sound much different wired out of phase. It wont sound good with other pickups that are in phase too. The Lil '59 people say is noisy. It's just the pickup. If by "work better" you mean as far as tone goes its not cutting it well wiring in parallel will make it brighter and thats all you can really do as far as altering the tone. That and splitting it which is noisy and a direction I don't think you want to go judging by your last thread.
If its a tone thing well try another pickup but if its noise well if the other pickups are fine with hum and the '59 isn't you might have to try another pickup too.
If you are going for a PAF vibe in the middle then you might want to go to Dimarzio they have a lot of Strat sized buckers that cancel hum well. I would look at the Dimarzio Pro Track if I were you. It's supposed to be a PAF sounding rail bucker. Joe Satriani uses it in the neck of his new 24 fret JS model from Ibanez. I think it sounds pretty badass and reminds me of the PAF Joe which is a little brighter than the PAF Pro he used to use. Satch is a PAF guy so for him to use it in the neck on his 24 fret model it's because it's got a good PAF vibe.
ehdwuld
A Ficus
Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
i have Carvin/Fender in mine
you have Carvin/Duncan in yours
if Duncan/Fender have to have the Duncans phase reversed to match the Fenders
and my Carvins had to be phase reversed top match the Fender
then it would seem to figure that the
Carvin/Duncan would be phased alike and not need reversing
but its fairly easy to swap phases one em
so try it one way then the other and see
but they should be phased alike
I dont have any experience with the Duncan stacked humbuckers
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Yes. That's what I'm asking.
Did you say you also had some guitars with Carvin humbuckers & a Duncan middle? or some other combination?
Or maybe somebody else has a guitar like that?
Was anything done differently to make them work together?
I'm also thinking since the pickup is new, & the DC readings I've taken are correct, the most likely thing to be "broken" right from the factory would be some wire hooked up backwards. - Plus, I've checked everything else about my guitar wiring..
So that is my logic in trying all these wiring combinations.
i have Carvin/Fender in mine
you have Carvin/Duncan in yours
if Duncan/Fender have to have the Duncans phase reversed to match the Fenders
and my Carvins had to be phase reversed top match the Fender
then it would seem to figure that the
Carvin/Duncan would be phased alike and not need reversing
but its fairly easy to swap phases one em
so try it one way then the other and see
but they should be phased alike
I dont have any experience with the Duncan stacked humbuckers
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Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
No, I don't want to wire it "out of phase" or with it's coils in parallel, it's more that I'm trying to make sure I'm not wiring it that way on accident,
- plus it can be a bit complicated to get a handle on the relationships between 3 pickups, from 2 manufacturers, each having 2 coils, & the various relationships to ground, & magnetic polarity.
My main problem is that the noise I get when I touch the pole pieces, (on the Li'l '59) ..seems like a clue that something isn't right, even though it's not that much of a problem in and of itself.. know what I mean?
I originally wired it according to the basic directions for each pickup, but if there is something complex about the way the two types of pickups react to each other, that I am failing to grasp, or if the Li'l '59 had a lead miswired internally, then there is a chance that I have the pickups wired sub-optimally for the best noise performance..
The thing I was talking about in the other thread; series linking the green & black, white & red as hot, should change neither the phase vs the other PUPs (except depending on whether you choose red or white as hot...) nor make the coils of the '59 parallel, (they're still series linked) nor change the phase of the coils to each other, (resulting in non-humbucking) ---
- In theory, it should change nothing.. (In a guitar with a coil cut switch, it would change which coil gets cut.. but I'm not doing that..)
- I think there is a small chance that this wiring would affect the noise performance & pole pieces buzzing when touched, but I really don't know..
- Nothing for it, but to try it & see, I'm just a little tired of soldering & unsoldering wires..
No, I don't want to wire it "out of phase" or with it's coils in parallel, it's more that I'm trying to make sure I'm not wiring it that way on accident,
- plus it can be a bit complicated to get a handle on the relationships between 3 pickups, from 2 manufacturers, each having 2 coils, & the various relationships to ground, & magnetic polarity.
My main problem is that the noise I get when I touch the pole pieces, (on the Li'l '59) ..seems like a clue that something isn't right, even though it's not that much of a problem in and of itself.. know what I mean?
I originally wired it according to the basic directions for each pickup, but if there is something complex about the way the two types of pickups react to each other, that I am failing to grasp, or if the Li'l '59 had a lead miswired internally, then there is a chance that I have the pickups wired sub-optimally for the best noise performance..
The thing I was talking about in the other thread; series linking the green & black, white & red as hot, should change neither the phase vs the other PUPs (except depending on whether you choose red or white as hot...) nor make the coils of the '59 parallel, (they're still series linked) nor change the phase of the coils to each other, (resulting in non-humbucking) ---
- In theory, it should change nothing.. (In a guitar with a coil cut switch, it would change which coil gets cut.. but I'm not doing that..)
- I think there is a small chance that this wiring would affect the noise performance & pole pieces buzzing when touched, but I really don't know..
- Nothing for it, but to try it & see, I'm just a little tired of soldering & unsoldering wires..
Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
Yes that seems correct to me also...
- unless the '59 is miswired internally? (or a little broken inside.. ?)
No, it's just the buzzing when I touch the pole pieces, (like I was saying makes me think something could be a bit wrong..)
- The '59 is a touch brighter than I expected..
- Strangely; How I wire the '59 seems to have a small effect on the noise the Carvins make by themselves...
I did not know that.. Are a lot of folks reporting that??
Yes that seems correct to me also...
- unless the '59 is miswired internally? (or a little broken inside.. ?)
That one...
No, it's just the buzzing when I touch the pole pieces, (like I was saying makes me think something could be a bit wrong..)
- The '59 is a touch brighter than I expected..
- Strangely; How I wire the '59 seems to have a small effect on the noise the Carvins make by themselves...
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ehdwuld
A Ficus
Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
I dont think the pole pieces of any pickup are grounded
I could be wrong
but since they do reside in the magnetic field
inserting a finger into the field and touching one
you would become a giant antenna for the pickup
kinda like grabbing the rabbit ears on a TV
young folks may not remember this time before cable TV
( not saying that OLD=RIGHT cuz I have been wrong ,
I think,....... naw I musta been mistaken )
but still
if it plays ok then
you probably shouldn't be "touching the pickup"
for extended periods during a gig
I dont think the pole pieces of any pickup are grounded
I could be wrong
but since they do reside in the magnetic field
inserting a finger into the field and touching one
you would become a giant antenna for the pickup
kinda like grabbing the rabbit ears on a TV
young folks may not remember this time before cable TV
( not saying that OLD=RIGHT cuz I have been wrong ,
I think,....... naw I musta been mistaken )
but still
if it plays ok then
you probably shouldn't be "touching the pickup"
for extended periods during a gig
ACH91332
New member
Re: Best way to wire a Li'l '59 to play nice between 2 Carvin humbuckers?
Yeah I mean don't take it as fact but I've read a few threads of people saying the lil '59 is noisy. Some people were asking if its a defective pickup and more often than not people were saying thats just how the pickup is.
Yeah I mean don't take it as fact but I've read a few threads of people saying the lil '59 is noisy. Some people were asking if its a defective pickup and more often than not people were saying thats just how the pickup is.