Bill and Becky L-500XL question
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JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
I believe most BL owners call BS on this one
I believe most BL owners call BS on this one
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
Unless we're talking about pickups with mis-matched coils, there is no "hot" side.
Unless we're talking about pickups with mis-matched coils, there is no "hot" side.
Mr 9finger
Digitally Challenged
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
They coils are identically wound. Do if you wish to, but I see it as a waste of time. There is no hot coil like JB said.
They coils are identically wound. Do if you wish to, but I see it as a waste of time. There is no hot coil like JB said.
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
He said that, but he wasn't really hearing anything different, unless his pickups were not wound standard. So yeah, it's pretty much rubbish.
I think I once claimed that turning a Dimebucker around sounded different, but it was probably just placebo effect.
He said that, but he wasn't really hearing anything different, unless his pickups were not wound standard. So yeah, it's pretty much rubbish.
I think I once claimed that turning a Dimebucker around sounded different, but it was probably just placebo effect.
Iron Horse
New member
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
Yeah, remember Blackmore had a strap holder in his Strat's headstock, so that he could go to a forum where everybody and their buddies were asking if that changed the tone... and LHAO.
Yeah, remember Blackmore had a strap holder in his Strat's headstock, so that he could go to a forum where everybody and their buddies were asking if that changed the tone... and LHAO.
alex1fly
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Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
Some guy on the Dean forum said he did an A/B with a L-500XL doing the swap thing and said that with normal orientation there was more emphasis on "super highs and super lows" and with it swapped there were more "lower mids and lower highs."
BS I take it? Has anyone tried it?
Some guy on the Dean forum said he did an A/B with a L-500XL doing the swap thing and said that with normal orientation there was more emphasis on "super highs and super lows" and with it swapped there were more "lower mids and lower highs."
BS I take it? Has anyone tried it?
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
If the coils are wound the same, it is BS. If they are wound differently, then it could very well sound different. However, I think most of it is placebo, people just hearing differences they think they should hear.
If the coils are wound the same, it is BS. If they are wound differently, then it could very well sound different. However, I think most of it is placebo, people just hearing differences they think they should hear.
Metalblaze
New member
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
I have done this experiment and posted it to an older thread, you can judge for yourself:
L-500XL
L-500XL Flipped
I didn't touch absolutely anything of the settings during this. I hope it will help.
I have done this experiment and posted it to an older thread, you can judge for yourself:
L-500XL
L-500XL Flipped
I didn't touch absolutely anything of the settings during this. I hope it will help.
alex1fly
Well-known member
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
Hmm... the two don't sound all that different to me. Like, at all. Maybe some better trained or preserved ears can hear a difference. I went ahead and installed mine flipped just so I can be cool though. Thanks Metal!
I have done this experiment and posted it to an older thread, you can judge for yourself:
L-500XL
L-500XL Flipped
I didn't touch absolutely anything of the settings during this. I hope it will help.
Hmm... the two don't sound all that different to me. Like, at all. Maybe some better trained or preserved ears can hear a difference. I went ahead and installed mine flipped just so I can be cool though. Thanks Metal!
jimmy
New member
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
It's different because, when you flip it, the angle at which the pickups hits the strings is changed. It's almost like lowering a pickup or raising a pickup -- that is, when you raise a pickup, it sounds hotter, whereas when you lower it, it sounds fatter.
A word about Dimebag's pickups: During his early Dean days, he probably used DiMarzio Super Distortions, since that's what came stock on Deans back then. By the time he recorded CFH, he was using original Bill Lawrence (Before the merge with BLUSA) chrome-housed L500L's in his guitars, wired up 500K pots and with no tone control. Sometime after this, he switched to BLUSA pickups, playing L500XL's, which he bought from Stew Mac; these pickups did not have the chrome housing. By the time he got his deal with Washburn, he was using L500XL's with no chrome housing. Seeking an even higher output pickup, he modified his L500XL and called it the "XXL". Enter Seymour Duncan.
Only Dime knows exactly what he used, at any given time period. My rough summary is about as close as anyone will get.
It's different because, when you flip it, the angle at which the pickups hits the strings is changed. It's almost like lowering a pickup or raising a pickup -- that is, when you raise a pickup, it sounds hotter, whereas when you lower it, it sounds fatter.
A word about Dimebag's pickups: During his early Dean days, he probably used DiMarzio Super Distortions, since that's what came stock on Deans back then. By the time he recorded CFH, he was using original Bill Lawrence (Before the merge with BLUSA) chrome-housed L500L's in his guitars, wired up 500K pots and with no tone control. Sometime after this, he switched to BLUSA pickups, playing L500XL's, which he bought from Stew Mac; these pickups did not have the chrome housing. By the time he got his deal with Washburn, he was using L500XL's with no chrome housing. Seeking an even higher output pickup, he modified his L500XL and called it the "XXL". Enter Seymour Duncan.
Only Dime knows exactly what he used, at any given time period. My rough summary is about as close as anyone will get.
devastone
Well-known member
Re: Bill and Becky L-500XL question
I don't think they ever made a production XXL, I have heard they prototyped something for him that the Dimebucker is based on. But, he (and Nuno) originally used L-500Ls which be became the new XLs (before there were Ls and XLs), and Bill made a less hot version that became the "new" 500L.
As far as changing the angle of the pickup??? Only if you have an angled mounting ring and turn that around also.
Also, Bill Lawrence and BL USA did not merge, they actually were together and separated, and fight about the name to this day. For my $, the Bill and Becky models sound better, and that "Bill" is the original designer.
I don't think they ever made a production XXL, I have heard they prototyped something for him that the Dimebucker is based on. But, he (and Nuno) originally used L-500Ls which be became the new XLs (before there were Ls and XLs), and Bill made a less hot version that became the "new" 500L.
As far as changing the angle of the pickup??? Only if you have an angled mounting ring and turn that around also.
Also, Bill Lawrence and BL USA did not merge, they actually were together and separated, and fight about the name to this day. For my $, the Bill and Becky models sound better, and that "Bill" is the original designer.
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