Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

chris effect

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I really want a modeler of this type. Iove my my Boss GT-001. I've heard really good things about the Helix though. I suppose the Fractal AX8 is an option too but but it's a bit more expensive. I play 90% metal rhythm / riffing (think Ola Englund or Fluff) and this will be for home recording, bedroom jamming. No band use for the foreseeable future. Any one here have experience with these types of units?

Thanks!

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Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

I can't directly compare to Boss, haven't heard their recent modelers enough to have an opinion. Their reputation for not supporting post-release put me off, in this era of Fractal & Line 6 quality long-term support.

If the budget is there, I'd look at Fractal Audio's FM3, it has a lot more metal amp options. I hear waits are still rather long for them, though. Axe-FX III is still the king for guitar amp variety (and arguably, modelling quality).

If you like complicated effected tones, I hear the Boss GT-1000 has the best UI and usability now--things like automagically disabling power amp/speaker modelling depending on what your playback system is, which you can change with a global option, rather than have to edit patches for particular uses. There are some flexibility advantages to Helix, when you are using different outputs for different uses, but for grab & go and not knowing what rig/monitor you'll be plugging into, Boss's approach is less work.

Helix firmware 2.80 will have 67 guitar amp channels includes tons of great metal amps, including models of amps that don't physically exist (Mark V/Recto hybrid, JCM800 with hiwatt power section tweaked for extra bass & sag). Bogner Shiva & Uberschall, Engl Fireball 100, Friedman HBE-100, MESA/Boogie MK IV & Dual Rectifier, PRS Archon, Peavey 5150, Soldano SLO-100, and soon the Revv Generator 120's hottest channel (rest to come in a later update). Line 6's own Badonk, Cartographer, Doom, Elektrik, Epic, 2204 Mod & Fatality shouldn't be overlooked, either. And that's just the list of obvious metal high gainers. And a lot of classic amps from Marshall, Vox and Fender, and broad selection of others. Then there's the 14 bass amps & preamps. 208 effects including 44 distortions.

With effects, it's possible to boost and sculpt many of the amps into almost any sound you want. I've got a patch which includes searing, heavily compressed leads built on top of the Litigator amp model (also does more expected low to midgain sounds from it in other snapshots). Being able to use Mesa's 5 band graphic or a parametric EQ after any amp but before the speaker cab works nicely for rhythm parts.

Only caveat to the Helix is really that the cab modelling treats you like a studio engineer: you have to know what speaker cab you like (that part is usually easy), then what mic (or pair of mics if you go dual cab, which lets you replicate a common recording technique of using 2 microphones) at what distance and with what EQ on each... A lot of people find it more convenient to use IRs (Impulse Responses), which also have the benefit of being switchable per-snapshot without having to use a separate cab model node for each speaker model.

Most modern modellers are great for home recording and bedroom jamming. Helix is a top contender in part because of Helix Native: being able to reamp tracks in your DAW is very powerful. Helix Native is $99 for owners of Helix hardware. Helix Floor, LT or Stomp (in descending capabilities & price) all make great audio interfaces, too.
 
Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

Thanks I appreciate the input. Im still not sure. I was leaning towards boss but the Helix is looking better and better. I wish I could get the fm3 but your right, I don't even see them for sale yet. Im not really in a rush, so I should take my time and do my research. Thanks again

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Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

One other way the Boss isn't comparable, apparently it maxes out at 2 amp models in a patch. Helix can do 4, though you don't have a lot of DSP left over for much else.

I think the most I've practically used is 3 with some tricks with splits/panning to avoid them running through each other's cabinets or effects. But the option is nice. And if DSP gets tight, you can substitute just the preamp (or even a distortion like a Metal Zone model) for an amp.
 
Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

I can't directly compare to Boss, haven't heard their recent modelers enough to have an opinion. Their reputation for not supporting post-release put me off, in this era of Fractal & Line 6 quality long-term support.

If the budget is there, I'd look at Fractal Audio's FM3, it has a lot more metal amp options. I hear waits are still rather long for them, though. Axe-FX III is still the king for guitar amp variety (and arguably, modelling quality).

If you like complicated effected tones, I hear the Boss GT-1000 has the best UI and usability now--things like automagically disabling power amp/speaker modelling depending on what your playback system is, which you can change with a global option, rather than have to edit patches for particular uses. There are some flexibility advantages to Helix, when you are using different outputs for different uses, but for grab & go and not knowing what rig/monitor you'll be plugging into, Boss's approach is less work.

Helix firmware 2.80 will have 67 guitar amp channels includes tons of great metal amps, including models of amps that don't physically exist (Mark V/Recto hybrid, JCM800 with hiwatt power section tweaked for extra bass & sag). Bogner Shiva & Uberschall, Engl Fireball 100, Friedman HBE-100, MESA/Boogie MK IV & Dual Rectifier, PRS Archon, Peavey 5150, Soldano SLO-100, and soon the Revv Generator 120's hottest channel (rest to come in a later update). Line 6's own Badonk, Cartographer, Doom, Elektrik, Epic, 2204 Mod & Fatality shouldn't be overlooked, either. And that's just the list of obvious metal high gainers. And a lot of classic amps from Marshall, Vox and Fender, and broad selection of others. Then there's the 14 bass amps & preamps. 208 effects including 44 distortions.

With effects, it's possible to boost and sculpt many of the amps into almost any sound you want. I've got a patch which includes searing, heavily compressed leads built on top of the Litigator amp model (also does more expected low to midgain sounds from it in other snapshots). Being able to use Mesa's 5 band graphic or a parametric EQ after any amp but before the speaker cab works nicely for rhythm parts.

Only caveat to the Helix is really that the cab modelling treats you like a studio engineer: you have to know what speaker cab you like (that part is usually easy), then what mic (or pair of mics if you go dual cab, which lets you replicate a common recording technique of using 2 microphones) at what distance and with what EQ on each... A lot of people find it more convenient to use IRs (Impulse Responses), which also have the benefit of being switchable per-snapshot without having to use a separate cab model node for each speaker model.

Most modern modellers are great for home recording and bedroom jamming. Helix is a top contender in part because of Helix Native: being able to reamp tracks in your DAW is very powerful. Helix Native is $99 for owners of Helix hardware. Helix Floor, LT or Stomp (in descending capabilities & price) all make great audio interfaces, too.


This is the biggest caveat to the Helix, IMO.

Even with third party IRs, you STILL need to know what you like and how to tweak ampsims beyond "bass, mids, treble"

But hey, when you got it down, the tone is there and it's an all-in-one package kind of system

 
Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

Boss generally has a lot of control over everything. They will also rarely upgrade, and it isn't like you can talk directly to the guys working on it via forums. Helix is more user-friendly, updated more, and you can engage with the product people on forums regularly.
 
Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

As a GT-1000 owner, so far Boss has been keeping up with updates quite well, I think I am one behind. Will it continue? I certainly hope so. The GT's AIRD cab sims sound great, I don't feel the need to go searching for IRs although you can load IRs in it too. The modeling approach is different than most of the other modelers, while there are some legacy models that are specifically modeled after specific amps, most of the new amp models are not as specific, but you have a lot of control to get it to sound like you want. For example, the Maximum model is a Marshall style model, you can set the gain ranges and get tones from plexi-ish to modern high gain sounds. The GT also has the most processing power of the floor modelers, so I don't think you can ever run out, but yes, it is limited to 2 amp models per patch. FWIW, I rarely use 2, not sure what I would do with more, but YMMV.

I'm not suggesting that the GT is better than the Helix, similar but different paths to a destination. If I was buying one again and everything was equal (I got a great deal on the GT), would I pick the GT over the Helix, or even Headrush (although I don't know much about the HR support)? I honestly don't know, but I do think any of the latest gen modelers can sound great, and probably be indistinguishable from a real amp in a blind test with some investment in learning how to set it up.
 
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Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

As a GT-1000 owner, so far Boss has been keeping up with updates quite well, I think I am one behind. Will it continue? I certainly hope so. The GT's AIRD cab sims sound great, I don't feel the need to go searching for IRs although you can load IRs in it too. The modeling approach is different than most of the other modelers, while there are some legacy models that are specifically modeled after specific amps, most of the new amp models are more not as specific, but you have a lot of control to get it to sound like you want. For example, the Maximum model is a Marshall style model, you can set the gain ranges and get tones from plexi-ish to modern high gain sounds. The GT also has the most processing power of the floor modelers, so I don't think you can ever run out, but yes, it is limited to 2 amp models per patch. FWIW, I rarely use 2, not sure what I would do with more, but YMMV.

I'm not suggesting that the GT is better than the Helix, similar but different paths to a destination. If I was buying one again and everything was equal (I got a great deal on the GT), would I pick the GT over the Helix, or even Headrush (although I don't know much about the HR support)? I honestly don't know, but I do think any of the latest gen modelers can sound great, and probably be indistinguishable from a real amp in a blind test with some investment in learning how to set it up.

I am happy to hear that. Historically, Boss has been terrible with updates and engagement. They would fix bugs, but rarely would they listen to suggestions and they would add features on their own. Good to hear this is turning around.
 
Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

thanks everyone. the more i read the ore i'm leaning toward helix. From what I understand this is basically an even more compact helix...

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...hx-stomp-guitar-multi-effects-floor-processor

It looks interesting, but I am going to go out on a limb and say you will run out of control switches really fast. I add a couple of switches to my GT-1000 just so I can call patches on the bottom 5 switches, have up/down and tuner on the top row, that only leaves a couple to turn any extra effects on and off. I'm not sure how I would manage with only 3. Remember, a modeler is not only replacing your amp, it is replacing your whole pedalboard too. Of course, YMMV.
 
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It looks interesting, but I am going to go out on a limb and say you will run out of control switches really fast. I add a couple of switches to my GT-1000 just so I can call patches on the bottom 5 switches, have up/down and tuner on the top row, that only leaves a couple to turn any extra effects on and off. I'm not sure how I would manage with only 3. Remember, a modeler is not only replacing your amp, it is replacing your whole pedalboard too. Of course, YMMV.


That's true. however, For someone who only plays metal rhythm in my bedroom I'm not sure it would be an issue. i only use about 3 patches most of the time. Right now I'm fine with my Gt-001 which is a very small 4 button unit. Although, i feel like i'd regret not getting the full size unit later on. I don't know. ugh. decisions are hard lol
 
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That's true. however, For someone who only plays metal rhythm in my bedroom I'm not sure it would be an issue. i only use about 3 patches most of the time. Right now I'm fine with my Gt-001 which is a very small 4 button unit. Although, i feel like i'd regret not getting the full size unit later on. I don't know. ugh. decisions are hard lol

LOL, yeah, way too many options out there now days! I'm pretty sure the GT-001 uses the GT-100 algorithms which sound very good IMHO. Strange that they get way more hate than they deserve when referenced to the GT-100, I used one for years and was very satisfied with it. Granted, I also used tube amps and 4-12 cabs at ear level for a few years in my younger days, so not sure I'm your best point of audio reference :smack:
 
Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

It was a tough decision because I really wanted the Boss unit when I started this quest. However, after many hours of listening and reading I ended up going with a Helix LT. Sort of a happy medium of the Helix family. I certainly don't need all the extra I/O on the full Helix and since I won't be playing live I can do without the Scribble strips & extra bells and whistles. I hope I like it. Everything I watched and listened to pointed me in this direction.

I appreciate everyone's input.

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Let us know how it works out for you!
Got it yesterday. Tinkered with it for about two hours and I've barely scratched the surface. It's 'feels', responds & sounds so much more like a real amp than my boss gt-001. I know it's unfair to compare those two units, but that's the only other modeler I've had. Damn it sounds good. I can't wait to load some impulse responses.

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Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

Got it yesterday. Tinkered with it for about two hours and I've barely scratched the surface. It's 'feels', responds & sounds so much more like a real amp than my boss gt-001. I know it's unfair to compare those two units, but that's the only other modeler I've had. Damn it sounds good. I can't wait to load some impulse responses.

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Give this IR a try. It's free.

https://livereadysound.com/product/west-coast-drive/

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Re: Boss GT-1000 or Line 6 Helix XT

Thanks just downloaded. Looks like it was created with a fortin Cali. That's promising. Fortin amps are my favorite

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Got it yesterday. Tinkered with it for about two hours and I've barely scratched the surface. It's 'feels', responds & sounds so much more like a real amp than my boss gt-001. I know it's unfair to compare those two units, but that's the only other modeler I've had. Damn it sounds good. I can't wait to load some impulse responses.

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Sort of a brain fart about not having had other modelers. I have a boss katana 100 combo which is great. Very similar to the gt001 in terms of quality. And I did have have an original Peavy vypyr and vypyr vip 2, but I was talking more about 'modeling units ' when I said that.

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Thanks just downloaded. Looks like it was created with a fortin Cali. That's promising. Fortin amps are my favorite

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That IR really shines with the JCM 800 and Soldano models in the Helix.

That maker has other really good reasonably priced IRs too.

But try using the stock cabs first so you get a feel of each amp model at least

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That IR really shines with the JCM 800 and Soldano models in the Helix.

That maker has other really good reasonably priced IRs too.

But try using the stock cabs first so you get a feel of each amp model at least

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So far I like the pv Panama with the 1960 T75 cab. The 160 microphone. It's a perfect 5150 through a 1960 cab cab sound.. I like that IR you linked. I also downloaded own hammers free pack and those 'FRED' IRs all sound great. With IRs I'm supposed to be running just the preamp model in front of them right? Not the amp model? The levels (volume) are really unpredictable from preamp to preamp. I guess thats realistic...

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