Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

nick37

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Greetings All,

First I'd just like to thank everyone for all the info I have pulled from this forum over the years. I didn't post, but I have certainly read through the threads for hours whenever I considered a new pickup or guitar configuration. The most amazing thing has always been the welcome opinions on ALL pickups regardless of the name on the package. Truly a rare and remarkable site (pun intended) on the web. Thanks to the host, Mods, and posters.

Second, I've been itching to make a change on my MIA Charvel So-Cal for a while. I'm afraid that explaining what I am looking for will threaten to be become a lengthy biography of that guitar. I will try to keep it down to a thumb-nail origin story, but I can't make any promises. Several years ago, I was on a major Adrian Smith kick and suddenly "needed" an HSS Super Strat. I picked up a hardly used candy tangerine So-Cal and started swapping out pickups. It was a pretty frustrating and slow process with my amateur wiring skills, the Floyd, and having to loosen the neck every time to get the pickguard back in there. In the end I was forced to abandon the HSS idea and just threw in a set of Blackouts. That has served me OK for the last two years, but now I want to go with a passive HSH setup and I do not want to try 8 bridge pickups again!

The problem, I eventually realized, is that this particular guitar is really quite bassy/woofiyboomy. I know it's a bolt-on with a maple neck/fretboard, and a Floyd, but to my ears it was always just so bass heavy that palm mutes never sounded tight and crisp, just boomy and muddy. So, "traditional" common sense didn't help me much with this guitar and it took me a while to get it. Here's a run-down of what I tried in it:

Dmz Tone Zone (stock) - Horrid, muddy, absolute worst pickup for this guitar with the added bonus of that hyper-nasally (in)famous Dimarzio vowelly "aww" lead tone. Can't state how bad this pickup sounded. If the neck hadn't been so heavenly, I probably would have never kept the guitar.

Dmz Super Distortion - Again Adrian Smith mania had taken over. This pickup was also muddy with absolutely no treble bite. I thought I would love this pickup and was really disappointed.

Dmz Crunch Lab - OK, still a little too subdued on the high end for crisp p.m. Some hope there, so I saved this pickup for my next Charvel!

Carvin M22SD - The first pickup I installed after the Tone Zone. Decent for lead, but just too thin and shrill for my tastes. Pinch harmonics were crazy good.

SD Custom - Loved the Custom in my Carvin CT6 (mahogany set neck with maple cap). I was hoping to get the same compressed, powerful chunk from this pickup in the Charvel. Not to be, muddy, not sharp.

SD Distortion - Pretty decent, stayed in there for about 3-4 months, but it was just too aggressive and noisy, went to the Blackouts.

SD Blackouts - Blackouts were kind of my last act of desperation. I had installed them in my all-walnut Carvin Ultra V and they transformed that guitar into something quite ferocious. In my mind they made that thin, trebly guitar thick and beefy, I didn't really expect them to do the exact opposite and tame the hairy bass side of the Charvel, but they did! Gave that guitar bite and focus. I just have two problems with the Blackouts and neither has to with the bridge pickup. One, I like my neck pickup sweet, mellow,but thick and smooth, not abrasive. Two, I like the 2 and 4 positions of a three pickup guitar (especially with the humbuckers split). So I am back searching for a bridge pickup.

I am considering the following pickups, but welcome all suggestions and advice. I am currently leaning toward Dimarzios, just because I prefer not to mix my metaphors and I love the Cruiser in the middle and prefer something from the Air Norton/Liquifire/Illuminator family in neck position. I haven't absolutely ruled out other brands, but I'm just saying.... Also, I am not interested in spending $150 per pickup at this time, so please no BKP recommendations.

DMZ:
D Activator
Norton
Evo 2
Super 3
Illuminator

SD:
Custom 5
Invader
Alternative 8
Full Shred
Custom Custom
Screamin' Demon

Finally, if you stayed through and read through all of that... wow. thank you. Here's a pic of my two Charvels. Orange Crush on the right would be the woofy one!

 
Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

Well bro, glad you decided to test the waters. From what it sounds like, the Full Shred will suit your needs best. The second thing I would recommend would be the Demon. Both have very tight and subtle low ends and work wonderful highs and upper mids. The Demon has more treble bite and a higher resonance peak if that interests you, while the Full Shred is more upper mid oriented and a hotter pickup than the Demon, but less than the Custom.
 
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Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

My Gibson Explorer is also a woofy guitar, especially in the low mids. The Screamin Demon is the best bridge pickup I've had in it so far. I've also had the stock Gibson 500T/496R set, a Black Winter set, a Screamin Demon with a Pearly Gates neck, and currently have a Gibson Burstbucker 1&2 set in it.

I am considering getting a Perpetual Burn to try in it since it also is supposed to have an emphasis in the upper mids, like the Screamin Demon.
 
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Custom Custom or JB (kind of surprised you haven't tried the JB yet).

To help narrow down your options, you could probably eliminate the following pickups: When I tried the Custom 5 it was boomy and scooped with a lot of presence. Would not recommend that pickup at all for superstrats. The Invader is a dark pickup, with a lot of bass. I don't have experience with it, but I've heard the Alternative 8 is dark enough that it should be put into bright guitars.

If you really need a bright pickup with very little bass, there is the Pearly Gates. It definitely has less output than the other mentioned pickups, but if output isn't really the issue then it could fit the bill.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

My suggestion would a JB in the bridge. I have Jb/Jazz set in my strat and I love it! I have heard good things about the Screamin Demon, but I have no experience with it though.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

Hey, I got a San Dimas that had a JB TB-4 in it. I could never seem to get what I wanted out of it, so I pulled it out yesterday and put in a old parallel axis trembucker that I had in an old Bc rich for the last 25 years or so. I haven't soldered it in yet but have loved the pickup in the old Bich forever. Ill post back as to how it sounds in the Charvel and addresses the "woofiness". But I think this is my answer, and mabey yours too.
 
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If you want to tame that low end, I'd suggest Full Shred, D-Activator or Screamin' Demon. The latter two being the brightest and the Demon being a great match for singles.
 
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Have you tried playing around with the height of these pickups? The tone zone on my MIA So-Cal sounded like crap outside of a very narrow range of height/pole piece adjustment. Once properly dialed in though, it started to sing beautifully.

Is your Floyd set up floating, or blocked? Blocking the floyd will enhance bass frequencies quite a bit.

What amp are you playing this through?
 
Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

There is little question that hex holepiece will help you.

Full shred for a heavier pickup, screamin' demon for a lighter one.

I would also do a quick neck change, especially to something without a floyd nut, to see whether it is the body or the neck barking.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

Thanks for all the replies. I will try to answer questions FIFO for all accountants out there.

Amp?
There is no question that while my playing has probably improved only marginally since I did all that swapping in 2010/2011/2012, my gear is much different. My opinion of the prior pickups was based on amps and distortion pedals, speakers ,etc that I no longer have. Right now I have an Orange TH30 through an open-back 2x12 with two Eminence Man O War's, a Carvin X100b as a base clean for a HBE Full Metal Jacket and an amptweaker TightMetal Pro through a closed back 2x12 with an eminence Wizard/Swamp Thang combo, and finally (my living room amp) an Orange Jim Root terror through a closed back 1x12 with a WGS Veteran 30.

Floyd?
Korean, with a Floyd Upgrade big brass block, with a stopper so it can't go "up." It's top-mounted so there's wasn't much travel anyway and then I eventually put a d-tuna on there. I've read where sometimes people don't like how the brass block changes to their tone. Even the Floyd, is different from when I was testing the pickups described above, as I pirated the best parts of Charvel # 1 and # 2 when I tricked out # 2.

Height?
There is no doubt that I know more about pickups and height adjustments then when I first started on that Tone Zone, but I had read that the Tone Zone can be very fussy height-wise and gave it 2-3 weeks of tweaking to see if I could enjoy it.

JB?
It was on my radar, when I gave up and went HH blackouts. Charvel # 2 came with a JB. I did not like it. Not thick and/or mean enough on the power chords. However, that guitar allowed no pickup height adjustment from the factory, and assuming that the two Charvels sound alike kind of contradicts my whole rambling argument in the first post. I've considered the JB, but....

Jazz?
Isn't it often called "glassy" and isn't there a thread here where someone says there's really no SD that sounds like an Air Norton? Was never on my radar for a thick, smooth, warm neck pickup.

Full Shred?
Is definitely on the short-list for bridge pickup and I would like neck opinions too because (1) it's quite affordable and (2) the black poles would match my astethics with the white pickguard and black screws (I know shallow)!

Milking a Crunch Lab?
Not sure what that means? Dimarzio does not rate their pickups for lactation. At least that don't publish that data :laugh2: Do you mean, did I play with the height, orientation and give it every opportunity? Yes I did. It was close. Kept it in a box for two years until Grape Crush was ready. CL reads 6.0/5.5/4.5 BMT, right? If that 4.5 was 5.5 or 6 it would have been perfect for Orange Crush, as the CL is definitely crunchy and tight on the low-end. I like it a lot.
 
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Full Shred?
Is definitely on the short-list for bridge pickup and I would like neck opinions too because (1) it's quite affordable and (2) the black poles would match my astethics with the white pickguard and black screws (I know shallow)!

Get a FS bridge and a Demon, which is only available in bridge versions but can be used in the neck. Try the demon in the bridge, then re-do the guitar with the demon in the neck and the FS in the bridge. Record something. Doesn't matter how badly, you will need it. That combo will look pretty cool, too.

Ditch whatever didn't work out, then re-group with the experience gained.
 
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Take off the big block first.

+1 If all else fails, try a different material other brass. Brass works well with floyds because it enriches the bass and warmth of the guitar that fills what is lost with a whammy bridge. If you have too much low end then you can consider a different material that will sound brighter and tighter.
 
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First, I gotta ask.... What model is that purple one?? LOVE IT!! Love purple and the only purple charvel Ive seen has been the one with the pickguard and its a diff color.
as far as pickups, Im not sure. I cant imagine the JB being too woofy. A couple you are considering probably would not be good choices. The custom custom has a thick warm mid focused tone. The C5 will have a big bottom end. Id have thought the custom woulda been good.

Id prolly try the ones noted above by others, like the demon and full shred. Youve already tried most of the dimarzios Im familiar with. I havent tried any of the dimarzios in your potential list. Im mostly a Duncan guy

keep in mind too, you said your previous tests were on a diff amp rig too. That could make some difference. Just like some of my guitars sound alot darker thru my PV classic 30 then they do thru my splawn. cuz the classic 30 has el84s
 
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+1 If all else fails, try a different material other brass. Brass works well with floyds because it enriches the bass and warmth of the guitar that fills what is lost with a whammy bridge. If you have too much low end then you can consider a different material that will sound brighter and tighter.

I have a MIJ San Dimas Pro Mod - alder with maple neck and board. it gave me an excuse to go with titanium (check out guitarupgrades on eBay). I also grabbed some titanium saddles via guitar center. Korean Floyd is set to float. it was already a pretty bright guitar. I don't find that titanium really brightens a guitar as much as adds clarity and note separation. to my ears, brass seems to add a richness more than anything else, and not really anything heavy or dark. both materials will add sustain.

Charvels seem to like JBs. I think you'd be OK giving it a shot. maybe tweak the EQ a bit.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

I read it and my first thought was JB as well. A JB in the right guitar is a beautiful thing. I'd buy a used one and flip it if you don't like it as they run like $40-$45.
 
Re: Bridge Pickup Quest for a "woofy" Charvel So-Cal

The full shred and demon are excellent choices for the bridge as others have said above.
The full shred is the better sounding pickup for heavier music, IMO. It is not a one trick pony though. I find that turning the guitar volume down with the gain set higher on the amp yields a great classic rock sound. It also gets a nice stratty sound when split and combined with the fs neck split.

I do want to try a demon eventually as I like the whole clarity and articulation thing with my humbuckers.
 
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just curious? have you ever taken a reading from the volume pot? are you sure it is a solid 500K? I have had pots that were supoosed to be 500K and read as low as 397K
You named SOME pickups that were muddy in this guitar that should not have been at all muddy, so i am wondering if the problem is elsewhere on this guitar?
 
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