BYOC ESV Fuzz

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This was my first pedal build. Great instructions, well made board with good layout, and quality components with one exception. I can't understand why anyone would want carbon composition resistor noise right at the start of their signal chain - fortunately there were metal film replacements on my bench. The BYOC forum is full of useful info too, including build tips that really helped.

I understand tube circuits reasonably well but don't know much about solid state devices. During this build, I forgot a couple of fundamental rules I learned long ago while building and fixing amps:

1) Plan to be wrong about something! Apparently this rule applies to pedals just as well as it does to amps.

2) If something can move while you're soldering it, it will move and you'll get a bad solder joint

3) While debugging, only try to fix one thing at a time. Otherwise you won't know what fixed the problem and/or created a new one.

4) Just because it's a "simple" circuit inside a little box doesn't mean that you can rush through it

When I got the pedal squared away, I started experimenting with my Strat. Cool & very familiar sound :D Then I switched over to my Heritage 535 equipped with Antiquity humbuckers. Yee hah! THAT'S a whole lot of fun.


I've looked for Fuzz Face mods all over, but there are sooo many! This looks like a pretty cool collection, but I don't know which ones are worth trying:
http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/FuzzLab/FuzzCloneMods_V2.gif

You can find the schematic for this circuit on page 16 HERE

I've noticed another odd difference between the Strat and the 535. When I turn the volume down just a touch off 10 on the 535, there's a abrupt drop in volume with the Fuzz engaged. Effect is smooth with the Strat.

Also, I'm confused about the Fuzz and how it interacts with my Strat. I've got a series/parallel switch. Normally, parallel is lower volume and sweeter - typical Strat tone (don't know why they call it "quack" but whatever) - and heavier, more humbucker-like when 2 or 3 coils are in series. With the Fuzz engaged, the parallel setting is louder and more raw. Series seems a bit muffled and definitely lower output. What the heck is up with that?

Here's the Boutique Fuzz Face (late '60s version) from General Guitar Gadgets:
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/pdf/ggg_ff5_sc_b69.pdf?phpMyAdmin=78482479fd7e7fc3768044a841b3e85a

Apparently the "Contour" control and the 50K "R7" (mis-labelled "Bias") are kind of yin & yang - Contour affects output level and R7 reduces input level.

I can't stop fooling around with this little box! Guitar tone, volume setting, and of course the volume and fuzz controls on the box are all more interactive than the dirt boxes I've messed around with before. Big fun! :cool2:

Cheers,

Chip
 
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I'm thinking about doing one of the BYOC kits for a large beaver built to rams head specs.
 
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I recently got an Analogman Sunface with all the trimmings - red dot NKT275 transistors, sundial, etc... I love it.

There's definitely a learning curve however, if you're like me and have never had a germanium fuzz. But nothing else will get you that sound.
 
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I recently got an Analogman Sunface with all the trimmings - red dot NKT275 transistors, sundial, etc... I love it.

There's definitely a learning curve however, if you're like me and have never had a germanium fuzz. But nothing else will get you that sound.


Just giving you a hard time man. Being hot, bored, and sarcastic is not usually a good combo.
 
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Cool stuff Chip!

Fuzz Faces are funny beasts...they have impedance issues, the lows are farty, the highs are harsh, the mids don't cut well and they are hard as hell to really control but NOTHING does what they do and once you learn how to use them they can sound quite beautiful or completely chaotic.

I am an admitted fuzz freak but no matter what happens I always come back to a Fuzz Face!
 
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^ And that is very cool, but I am just the opposite.
I musta spent 50 hours resreaching all the differences between fuzzes.
Mostly the Muffs and Fuzz faces.
ya got the Traingle, the rams head, the Violet rams head, the Op Amp "Creamy", teh Civil war, The Russian

And then ya got yer Fuzzfaces; your Germaniums with different levels of gain, yer Silicons, with different levels of gain..
Then all the other ne wage sputtery Doom fuzzes and stuff. with expanded ranges of EQ ( equilibrium Quotient?)
At the end of the day, I may only use these devices 10% of the time at best.
A LOT of trouble for not much real practicality...but thats just me.
Still, I do want to have an respecatble cloned example of most of the classic Fuzzes ( Skreddy 'Pig Mine' Floyd Wall, etc. etc..)
 
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^ And that is very cool, but I am just the opposite.
I musta spent 50 hours resreaching all the differences between fuzzes.
Mostly the Muffs and Fuzz faces.
ya got the Traingle, the rams head, the Violet rams head, the Op Amp "Creamy", teh Civil war, The Russian

And then ya got yer Fuzzfaces; your Germaniums with different levels of gain, yer Silicons, with different levels of gain..
Then all the other ne wage sputtery Doom fuzzes and stuff. with expanded ranges of EQ ( equilibrium Quotient?)
At the end of the day, I may only use these devices 10% of the time at best.
A LOT of trouble for not much real practicality...but thats just me.
Still, I do want to have an respecatble cloned example of most of the classic Fuzzes ( Skreddy 'Pig Mine' Floyd Wall, etc. etc..)

I have no idea what you are talking about except it has to do with Big Muffs and Fuzz Faces...
 
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Back to our regular programming...

The wife left over an hour ago.
Guitars - check
Amps - check (Tweed and Blackface Princetons)
Fuzz Box - good to go

Forget what I said about the Strat not singing! It's easier to find a sweet spot with the single-ended Tweed, probably because it's got much less headroom itself. The interactiveness of the pedal with the amp and guitar settings is confusing at first but this little box is FUN!

Yesterday I was focused on getting major distortion tones. This morning I've discovered just how touch sensitive this thing can be. It's entirely possible to have it reasonably clean on the middle pickup for single notes then switch to bridge & middle in series, bump the guitar volume up, and bang into wooly heaven with heavy chords.

Eventually I'm going to figure out how to add the "Contour" and "Impedance" controls from that "late '60s Boutique Fuzz Face" (read Fulltone '69). For now, I'm leaving you all and going back to playing until whenever...

Chip
 
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Ohh. thats okay..that makes us even. When a guy with your kind of gear posts a thread about liking a cheap Squier Tele, I have no Idea what your talking about either!

LMAO! You guys! Not to hijack the thread...I always loved/love the tone that the earlier players got using fuzz,especially JH...For myself though,I never could find something that I really felt I got along with,so I don't use any fuzz at all on my board or setup...I did own the Fulltone 69 for a very short time,but sold it...My buddy had an early EH Muff that had the V pattern knobs and it was pretty cool...Seems there's that fine line of either great fuzz tone or just muddy sounding crap..?
 
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LMAO! You guys! Not to hijack the thread...I always loved/love the tone that the earlier players got using fuzz,especially JH...For myself though,I never could find something that I really felt I got along with,so I don't use any fuzz at all on my board or setup...I did own the Fulltone 69 for a very short time,but sold it...My buddy had an early EH Muff that had the V pattern knobs and it was pretty cool...Seems there's that fine line of either great fuzz tone or just muddy sounding crap..?

Fuzzes require a lot of work and attention from the builder and even more from the end user.

Big Muffs however don't really count to me...all Muffs have a cool muff tone and any fool can get a passable sound from them...they are the idiot proof fuzz.
 
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Back to our regular programming...

The wife left over an hour ago.
Guitars - check
Amps - check (Tweed and Blackface Princetons)
Fuzz Box - good to go

Forget what I said about the Strat not singing! It's easier to find a sweet spot with the single-ended Tweed, probably because it's got much less headroom itself. The interactiveness of the pedal with the amp and guitar settings is confusing at first but this little box is FUN!

Yesterday I was focused on getting major distortion tones. This morning I've discovered just how touch sensitive this thing can be. It's entirely possible to have it reasonably clean on the middle pickup for single notes then switch to bridge & middle in series, bump the guitar volume up, and bang into wooly heaven with heavy chords.

Eventually I'm going to figure out how to add the "Contour" and "Impedance" controls from that "late '60s Boutique Fuzz Face" (read Fulltone '69). For now, I'm leaving you all and going back to playing until whenever...

Chip

See how you personally feel about it but the 69 mods sort of do more harm than good IMHO.
 
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Fuzzes require a lot of work and attention from the builder and even more from the end user.

Big Muffs however don't really count to me...all Muffs have a cool muff tone and any fool can get a passable sound from them...they are the idiot proof fuzz.

So if I wanted a no brainer great fuzz tone,what do you recommend? Something in the lines of Jimi's tone on the Live At The Fillmore album....EJ's tones I always loved also,so basically I guess I like the sound of a Fuzz Face,question is,which one? ;o)
 
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JH Live at the Fillmore was during Jimi's silicon Fuzz Face era and EJ prefers Si Fuzz Faces too...

Jimi's fuzz sounds around that time tended to be lower gain for Si and EJ looks for units with fairly high gain for a Fuzz Face then thru battery tweaking gets the bias set rather low for a Fuzz Face...that is what gives EJ the sort of signature EJ Fuzz Face tone.

So, all that said I'm not sure you'll nail the EJ and JH Fuzz Face sounds with the same Fuzz Face but I'd say you for sure need to be looking at a Silicon unit.

If I were you I'd start with the Dunlop JH Fuzz Face...they are VERY well made, sounds amazing and can be had all day long for less than $100.
 
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