Callaham or Wilkinson tremolo for my project?

Callaham or Wilkinson tremolo for my project?

  • Callaham

    Votes: 10 71.4%
  • Wilkinson VSV-G

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Wilkinson WV6SB

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Total voters
    14

dilney

New member
Need your opinion:

I am about to buy a tremolo for my project strat. It's an alder body, routed for vintage tremolo (6 screw).

I am considering a Callaham or a Wilkinson vintage style (either the VSV-G that's about the same price as Callaham or a cheaper WV6SB which is a regular vintage tremolo with a steel block).

Which one do you recommend?

Callaham's website says that the "pure" steel they use gives better tone, sustain, etc. Wilkinson uses a different type of steel. Can you hear any difference between the two?

Thanks.
 
Re: Callaham or Wilkinson tremolo for my project?

I forgot to mention that I don't use the tremolo very often.
 
Re: Callaham or Wilkinson tremolo for my project?

I have two callahams and they are works of art.
Great tone and the workmanship is flawless.

Then again i havent tried the VSVG, which has design 'improvements'.
I actually like the idea to have a vintage sounding bridge that works smoother. But i dont really know how good it really does work and if it changes the tone in any way.
I have heard both, that it keeps in tune very well and others say it doesnt really make that much of a difference froma traditional strat 6 hole trem.

I think alot of it has to do that people just dont want to go to the hastle to fine tune their 6 hole to the point that it wont go out of tune. I cant actually blame them for this. Improvemnts on design are totally welcome to me. Just as long as the tone is there as well. Cause some designs have the sounds that are in my head.

To me it doesnt matter how often you use the trem. When you do use it you want it to work good and sound great.

Eventhough i have the callahams, i would still love to try the VSVG to see how it functions and sounds.
Knowing how silly i am, i will probably buy one in the future just to see how it sounds and works.

Callahams do rock tho. you just need to spend a fair amount of time if you want them not to go out of tune so easily.
 
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What is their pure steel? I doubt there's any diffrence in the chemical composition between the Wilk steel and the Callham steel at all. They all claim to be steel, and that doesn't mean that it has a bunch of lead in it. If it did it woudn't be mild steel.

Mild steel has about .18%-.20% carbon, and small amounts of manganese and silicon. Since almost all the steel today is re-smelted steel, there will be trace amounts of other metals in it as well.

The % of carbon has to be at least .28%, or a high tensile or high strength low alloy steel, before steel will respond to heat treatments, such as being thermatically rolled. I doubt there will be any difference between cold rolled and hot rolled mild steel. There may be a diffrence in sound between low alloy steels, and different TM treatments????

Mechanical treatments such as rolling at certian tempatures are meant to make the micro grain structure finer and that might effect the velocity of vibration transfer through the medium?
 
Re: Callaham or Wilkinson tremolo for my project?

The wilk trem does have some nice features, such as a push in arm, instead of a screw in arm, and tension compensated mounting holes for better tuning stability. The Wilk does stay in tune better than any other vintage type trem, by my experiance.
 
Re: Callaham or Wilkinson tremolo for my project?

What is their pure steel? I doubt there's any diffrence in the chemical composition between the Wilk steel and the Callham steel at all. They all claim to be steel, and that doesn't mean that it has a bunch of lead in it. If it did it woudn't be mild steel.

Mild steel has about .18%-.20% carbon, and small amounts of manganese and silicon. Since almost all the steel today is re-smelted steel, there will be trace amounts of other metals in it as well.

The % of carbon has to be at least .28%, or a high tensile or high strength low alloy steel, before steel will respond to heat treatments, such as being thermatically rolled. I doubt there will be any difference between cold rolled and hot rolled mild steel. There may be a diffrence in sound between low alloy steels, and different TM treatments????

Mechanical treatments such as rolling at certian tempatures are meant to make the micro grain structure finer and that might effect the velocity of vibration transfer through the medium?

Wow, that's a lot of info about the steel... I personally know nothing about it, that's why I ask. Callaham claims that his steel and his process (cold rolled) produce a better sounding tremolo. But Trev Wilkinson says exactly what you said: steel is steel and cold vs. hot rolled doesn't make much of a difference.

Then, it seems that the Wilkinson is a better bridge because of its improved design.

Other opinions?
 
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Different treatments will effect the micro-grain structure of a steel, and that may have an sonic effect, so I'm not saying that Callaham is full of BS by any means. I don't know enough about how the two may be different. Mild steel, cold rolled, will probably be less fine grained than MS hot rolled. However, the sonic difference between mild steels will be rather minor. I'm not sure if the difference would be that audiable, .... to Eric Johnson for sure.

There's obviously a noticable diffrence between real mild steel, and cast steel, and steel with a bunch of lead in it such as the zinc blocks, and brass and so forth.....
 
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This is what i found on the subject.
Now what difference it makes in sound i have no clue!lol

"Theoretically, the only difference between hot rolled and cold rolled steels is that hot rolled steel is rolled to its final dimensions while hot enough to scale (over 1700 degrees F) while cold rolled steel is rolled to its final dimensions well below scaling temperatures.
So----- If you are making ½” square hot rolled steel, you have to estimate what the final size will be after the product cools, whereas you can finish the cold rolled steel to much closer tolerances right in the sizing rollers and that is what you get. There are some other things to consider, too:
-The finished tolerances on hot rolled steels are looser than on cold rolled. Not only the plus or minus tolerance from nominal size, but the "square-ness" of the product. And, I can tell you from personal experience that there’s a lot of trapezoidal A36 out there. So, if you need a specific size and you are going to go to a “surplus” place, bring your ruler, square and micrometer to make sure you get what you need.
- I have been told that, in order to get the cold rolled steel to come out with a nice finish, they might use "cleaner" ingots from which to roll the product. This means that you’d get fewer slag or carbon inclusions with cold rolled steels.
-Note that I haven't talked about the chemistry of the steel at all. You can get cold rolled or hot rolled 1045 and you can perform either process on C1018. But since we often talk about using "mild" steels, the two steels that we end up having around most often are C1018----which is quite often sold in cold rolled form and A36 which is always hot rolled.
-One other difference that may be of interest to the blacksmith is that if you buy "1018”cold rolled steel", you can be pretty sure that it has close to a 0.18% carbon content and few other impurities. But the spec for A36 can let the carbon content go as high as 0.29% and it can contain many more impurities. More carbon makes it harder to forge.
-You generally have to pay about twice as much money for cold rolled steel as for hot rolled steel, for reasons which are probably obvious from the above.

So far, you are probably feeling that, in dealing with mild steels, cold rolled steel is clearly the better stuff to have if you can afford it. Well, yes, usually, but---- since the hot rolled steel IS rolled while hot, it has a chance to normalize after the last rollers, so it is pretty much stress free when you get it. But machinists who usually buy cold rolled steel, often have the stuff twist and warp on them as they machine the first side or two. This is because the cold rolled steel actually work-hardens in the rolling process.
 
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After reading all that jibberish who is to say that the purer the steel the better the sound tho?
Maybe some extra impurities make for a slightly less bright sound. My callahams do sound awesome tho for sure.

One thing i can say 100% for sure is that the other day going to my buddies and playing his Eric Johnson strat i was looking at the vintage Fender trem.
I can safely say that the Callaham was MUCH better as far as tolerances and build quality. I didnt expect this actually. The callaham is just build perfectly. all the corners etc ( tolerances ) are perfect wheras the Fender one wasnt nearly as clean. BIG difference.
As i said before tho i dont know what that does to the sound.

I am kinda weirded out on Callaham's reluctance to build anything but vintage.
 
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