Calling on hermetico once again...

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busu

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I really appreciate your knowledge and I need it again. I need a diagram for a Yamaha Pacifica H_S_S setup, with a three way toggle wired to split the humbucker on one side and kill it , on the other; humbucker in the middle, of course. Also instead of the tone I need my trusty blender pot that goes in between the humbucker and the neck single.
Again, I pray that you catch this and help. Thanks a bunch, in advance.
 
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hermetico said:
Just some few questions:

  1. what kind of blade switch do you have? standard 5-way fender-like or this kind of asian switch with all the lugs in a row?
  2. what kind of blender pot do you have? regular pot or concentric one?
  3. Describe you pickups, please. Brand / model and type: 2 conductors, 3 conductors, 4 conductors (+ bare, + shield or + braid wire).
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Aaaah... there you are.Thanks for chiming in.
It's a regular fender-like 5-way switch at least looking at it from the top.Do I need to look under the pickguard for connections?
CTS blender pot, not a regular.
The humbucker is a SD JB-4wire, middle one a Kinman Avn62, neck-Kinman Hx85.
 
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hermetico said:
Yup! you have to look under the pickguard, because Fender and Yamaha switches are completly differents, as well as their working pattern.
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It's a Yamaha switch. Is that what you used in the diagram?
Also the Pacifica layout is just volume and tone (in this case blender pot). I'd appreciate greatly if you could revise it. Thanks very much.
 
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busu said:
Hm... I'm not sure where those grounds lead... is this a joke or you really think you're helping? If you're helping, explain those grounds, will you? Thanks.
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other grounds would be anything else that you want to ground to, or that you need to ground, like the output jack's outer ring and the bridge post/spring claw.
 
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Have you looked at the switch terminals like Hermetico said and identified which type it is? "It's a Yamaha switch" is about as vague as calling any double offset-cutaway electric solidbody guitar a "Strat-style".

Are the terminals 8 in a row (2 groups of 4) or 4 on each side of a wafer?

The switch either matches the diagram he posted or it does not - not just the looks but also the terminal assignment and actual contacts - where/when the blade lever contacts/activates each terminal. If yours do not match his diagram, you're not going to get the results his diagram shows.
 
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DrNewcenstein said:
Have you looked at the switch terminals like Hermetico said and identified which type it is? "It's a Yamaha switch" is about as vague as calling any double offset-cutaway electric solidbody guitar a "Strat-style".

Are the terminals 8 in a row (2 groups of 4) or 4 on each side of a wafer?

The switch either matches the diagram he posted or it does not - not just the looks but also the terminal assignment and actual contacts - where/when the blade lever contacts/activates each terminal. If yours do not match his diagram, you're not going to get the results his diagram shows.
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The switch is 8 in a row (4 and 4), incased in plastic, white on the switch side (upward), and black on the tab side (downward).
I really don't understand where those grounds are suposed to go;it looks like they meet up in the middle, the split between the two pots: what goes where?
Hermetico , I would appreciate if you could chime in and fix it. Thanks
 
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The grounds go to the pot casings, trem claw, pickguard shielding, jack, and body cavities if they're painted in conductive paint (usually identified by a small screw in the side of the cavity with a brass tab on it and lots of black wires soldered to it).

Should you take this to a tech? Have you ever done this sort of thing?
 
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DrNewcenstein said:
The grounds go to the pot casings, trem claw, pickguard shielding, jack, and body cavities if they're painted in conductive paint (usually identified by a small screw in the side of the cavity with a brass tab on it and lots of black wires soldered to it).

Should you take this to a tech? Have you ever done this sort of thing?
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Thanks for the reply. I do replace pickups all the time; however , when it comes to a completely different diagram (like what I've been getting into lately), I am somewhat clueless, as I am not a trained in elecronics or physics by any means. So no, I do not have that "electronics logic" but I'm trying to learn.
I would still appreciate if Hermetico would redo the diagram and hopefully, save me some confusion, time and stress.Thanks in advance.
 
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What was wrong with Mcearlock's edited diagram? All he did was remove the Tone knob from Hermetico's, making it match your setup as you said it would be.

What specifically are you trying to accomplish that only Hermetico can seem to do for you?

His original diagram should be easy enough to figure out - remove the Tone from the picture like Mcearlock did. Send the Grounds that are shown going to the Tone pot to the Volume and/or Blender instead.
If your switch behaves as the one in the diagram, then follow it.


I'm not an electrician or physics major either, but I can at least look at a diagram and say "ok, I dont' have that one piece, so I'll ignore it and reroute whatever Hot wires somewhere else".

I realize the Pacifica has a pickguard and is therefore time-consuming to work with, and that you'd rather get it done right the first time, but in all honesty, if I were Hermetico, I'd be avoiding you on purpose. You seem a bit "obsessive" about obtaining his personal assistance. Kinda like the one girl in class who always wants the male teacher looking at her.


Just sayin...
 
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DrNewcenstein said:
What was wrong with Mcearlock's edited diagram? All he did was remove the Tone knob from Hermetico's, making it match your setup as you said it would be.

What specifically are you trying to accomplish that only Hermetico can seem to do for you?

His original diagram should be easy enough to figure out - remove the Tone from the picture like Mcearlock did. Send the Grounds that are shown going to the Tone pot to the Volume and/or Blender instead.
If your switch behaves as the one in the diagram, then follow it.


I'm not an electrician or physics major either, but I can at least look at a diagram and say "ok, I dont' have that one piece, so I'll ignore it and reroute whatever Hot wires somewhere else".

I realize the Pacifica has a pickguard and is therefore time-consuming to work with, and that you'd rather get it done right the first time, but in all honesty, if I were Hermetico, I'd be avoiding you on purpose. You seem a bit "obsessive" about obtaining his personal assistance. Kinda like the one girl in class who always wants the male teacher looking at her.


Just sayin...
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Thanks for the info. That's all I needed, to know where the grounds are supposed to go. The reason why I wanted his assistance is because he's the only one that does the diagrams, you see? I wanted a clean diagram to work with, and he's the only one that can do it, correct? He did a great job on a more complicated one before, so I figured I would call on him again. I know he's busy, but I'm a badger I don't quit.
As far as you're dumb comment about the girl, it seems that maybe it was you that experienced the scenario in school; were you that girl?
 
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You had a clean diagram to work with, and Mcearlock posted it - the one without the Tone knob in the middle and the Grounds all going to the Volume and Blend pot.

Hermetico isn't the only onw who CAN do diagrams, and he's certainly not the onyl one who DOES do diagrams. Granted he does them more frequently, but others have posted diagrams as well, whether they were all-original or slightly modified Duncan diagrams, or even edited versions of Hermetico's diagrams.

And no, I was not the girl. I was the teacher who was badgered incessantly.
 
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DrNewcenstein said:
You had a clean diagram to work with, and Mcearlock posted it - the one without the Tone knob in the middle and the Grounds all going to the Volume and Blend pot.

Hermetico isn't the only onw who CAN do diagrams, and he's certainly not the onyl one who DOES do diagrams. Granted he does them more frequently, but others have posted diagrams as well, whether they were all-original or slightly modified Duncan diagrams, or even edited versions of Hermetico's diagrams.

And no, I was not the girl. I was the teacher who was badgered incessantly.
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Would you say that other people do them so rarely and infrequently that it makes it worth targeting the one that does most of them and does them right?
Thanks for the info, again.
As a teacher you should've had the skill and the patience to deal with female student as such... otherwise, maybe you had a job in the wrong field. Or maybe secretly you wanted it to be a boy, no? And you should've been a priest, yes?:naughty:
 
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So you're saying that only Hermetico does them right, even though he put a Tone control in the first diagram in this thread after you clearly stated you were replacing it with a blend knob?

You simply keep piling up more and more evidence there's "something else" going on with this.
 
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hermetico said:
Grounds must be in contact in a network. That's enough.
There is a way of putting all together in a "common grounding point" that can be the backside of a pot, a claw in your cavity' shield or any other point that is in the "network".

So, you can solder those grounding leads to whatever other grounding point in the diagram. Is up to you.
The ammend from Mcearlock is absolutelly perfect and neat.
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Thanks Hermetico, All I was doing was trying to help! Didn't seem to be that big of an issue to remove the tone pot from the diagram. 1 ground and 1 hot, I mean dam, how hard can that be???

And thanks for taking the time to figure out all these diagrams for us. You definatly have my gratatude, and I think I maybe only asked for 1 diagram in the past. A Big thanks to you, man. -Mark
 
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