Can you series link Black & Green?
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nalo1022
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Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
I believe that may cause some phasing issues and wont be a normal humbucker. What are you trying to accomplish ?
I believe that may cause some phasing issues and wont be a normal humbucker. What are you trying to accomplish ?
Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
I think it would only be out of phase if I reverse only one coil, if you reverse them both, you're back in phase.. right??
I'm trying to eliminate some noise issues I'm having. I have a Li'l '59 between 2 Carvin humbuckers. (HSH) I want to try everything before I decide the P/U is broken..
If you want the whole saga, read here:
http://dev.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189007
http://dev.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191935
I think it would only be out of phase if I reverse only one coil, if you reverse them both, you're back in phase.. right??
I'm trying to eliminate some noise issues I'm having. I have a Li'l '59 between 2 Carvin humbuckers. (HSH) I want to try everything before I decide the P/U is broken..
If you want the whole saga, read here:
http://dev.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189007
http://dev.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191935
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Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
Yeah. My theory is it should sound about the same, but might work better with the other pickups & wiring..
I have shielded the guitar as well as I think I can..
used copper foil tape (with conductive adhesive)
It's connected to ground.
I have tested everything with a meter...
Yeah. My theory is it should sound about the same, but might work better with the other pickups & wiring..
I have shielded the guitar as well as I think I can..
used copper foil tape (with conductive adhesive)
It's connected to ground.
I have tested everything with a meter...
ACH91332
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Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
So have you done the inside of the control route and the cover plate as well? You don't want a partial Faraday cage. It will work but full is better. And have you tried using copper foil on the pickup routes as well?
Another thing is, if it doesnt work, it could be your amp. Amps have hum just from running. I use EH tubes now because I feel they are the quietest. My JVM was a very hissy amp and now that the transformers and everything have broken in it isnt bad at all. I gladly do not use a gate anymore. I prefer using just the amp because the touch and feel changes with a gate along with sustain. I dont really need the EH tubes anymore but I like the tone so I still use them.
I use to have a forum saved on my favorites tab but I can't find it. A guy told me what to do to wire it how you are asking. It looks like what you said will work but I'm just going off what I "think" I remembered him saying. If I can find it I'll let you know. But from what he told me it will sound the exact same. The reason I asked was so that I could wire an autosplit with a 5-way level. I was going to do an HSH guitar. I was wondering so that I could split the opposite coil with just splitting the red and white wires. Obviously it wouldnt be "those" wires but you know what I mean. I ended up going HS instead which ridded the need for what he told me as I could use a push/pull to split whatever coil I want either it be split the red and white wires or wire it the goofy way to split the other coil. But yea I think it will be a wasted effort to try what you want to but I guess it doesn't hurt giving it a shot if you have the time and are out of options.
EDIT: Oh and it should stay in phase. He assured me it wouldnt mess with phase but if it does you could always just flip the magnet around if its an issue.
So have you done the inside of the control route and the cover plate as well? You don't want a partial Faraday cage. It will work but full is better. And have you tried using copper foil on the pickup routes as well?
Another thing is, if it doesnt work, it could be your amp. Amps have hum just from running. I use EH tubes now because I feel they are the quietest. My JVM was a very hissy amp and now that the transformers and everything have broken in it isnt bad at all. I gladly do not use a gate anymore. I prefer using just the amp because the touch and feel changes with a gate along with sustain. I dont really need the EH tubes anymore but I like the tone so I still use them.
I use to have a forum saved on my favorites tab but I can't find it. A guy told me what to do to wire it how you are asking. It looks like what you said will work but I'm just going off what I "think" I remembered him saying. If I can find it I'll let you know. But from what he told me it will sound the exact same. The reason I asked was so that I could wire an autosplit with a 5-way level. I was going to do an HSH guitar. I was wondering so that I could split the opposite coil with just splitting the red and white wires. Obviously it wouldnt be "those" wires but you know what I mean. I ended up going HS instead which ridded the need for what he told me as I could use a push/pull to split whatever coil I want either it be split the red and white wires or wire it the goofy way to split the other coil. But yea I think it will be a wasted effort to try what you want to but I guess it doesn't hurt giving it a shot if you have the time and are out of options.
EDIT: Oh and it should stay in phase. He assured me it wouldnt mess with phase but if it does you could always just flip the magnet around if its an issue.
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Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
Everything; the pickup routing, control cavity, whole pickguard, jack cavity.
All connected together, grounded, checked with meter..
You're right though, I could use a super quiet amp to check this..
Mine is not bad, but does make some small amount of background noise.
-- Maybe that can be my next project..
Yep.
Everything; the pickup routing, control cavity, whole pickguard, jack cavity.All connected together, grounded, checked with meter..
You're right though, I could use a super quiet amp to check this..
Mine is not bad, but does make some small amount of background noise.
-- Maybe that can be my next project..
ACH91332
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Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
Turning the PU wont do it. I thought it was a full size humbucker. If it is out of phase you could always wire the other pickups out of phase too which will put everything in phase. If you have Fender single coils they are out of phase with most other pickups anyways so if you have Fenders it would actually put it in phase with the other pickup.
I've heard of the Lil '59 being really noisy so it might just be the pickup. They say its "injected with twang" or whatever so maybe it has a mismatched wind? I'm not sure but if so yea it will add some more overtones but it comes at a price of cancelling out less hum. It's a give and take thing. It's going to be better than a single coil as far as hum goes though.
Turning the PU wont do it. I thought it was a full size humbucker. If it is out of phase you could always wire the other pickups out of phase too which will put everything in phase. If you have Fender single coils they are out of phase with most other pickups anyways so if you have Fenders it would actually put it in phase with the other pickup.
I've heard of the Lil '59 being really noisy so it might just be the pickup. They say its "injected with twang" or whatever so maybe it has a mismatched wind? I'm not sure but if so yea it will add some more overtones but it comes at a price of cancelling out less hum. It's a give and take thing. It's going to be better than a single coil as far as hum goes though.
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Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
In this wiring diagram:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=coil_splitting
The second part of the diagram (splitting to the adjustable coil) seems to have green linked to black when the pickup is in series humbucking mode.
I'm wondering if the pickups would be out of phase if you had one pickup split in the standard (top of the diagram) way to the slug coil, and the other like this.
In this wiring diagram:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=coil_splitting
The second part of the diagram (splitting to the adjustable coil) seems to have green linked to black when the pickup is in series humbucking mode.
I'm wondering if the pickups would be out of phase if you had one pickup split in the standard (top of the diagram) way to the slug coil, and the other like this.
ehdwuld
A Ficus
Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
it is my understanding the the
black and white wires are to the north coil
and the
red and green is the south coil
and if every red/white split results in the slug coil being active
then logically the slug coil on every pickup ( neck or bridge ) would be the north coil
if you had both pickups on ---- and split ----- with the slug coils
you would have two north coils and no humbucking
it is my understanding the the
black and white wires are to the north coil
and the
red and green is the south coil
and if every red/white split results in the slug coil being active
then logically the slug coil on every pickup ( neck or bridge ) would be the north coil
if you had both pickups on ---- and split ----- with the slug coils
you would have two north coils and no humbucking
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
The buzzing on the poles might be due to the bridge (not the bridge pickup, the bridge that actually holds the strings) ground being disconnected.
You can wire up any Duncan with green and black as the coil junction. Just a matter of whether the red or white is the new hot lead. It would make a difference on which coil you get with the coil split.
The buzzing on the poles might be due to the bridge (not the bridge pickup, the bridge that actually holds the strings) ground being disconnected.
You can wire up any Duncan with green and black as the coil junction. Just a matter of whether the red or white is the new hot lead. It would make a difference on which coil you get with the coil split.
Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
I had a hard time with shielding until I realized the wires running to the pu selector (lp style guitar) werent shielded. I took some aluminum tape and shielded the wires and it cut out the last bit of buzz. Moral of the story; Shield EVERYTHING.
I had a hard time with shielding until I realized the wires running to the pu selector (lp style guitar) werent shielded. I took some aluminum tape and shielded the wires and it cut out the last bit of buzz. Moral of the story; Shield EVERYTHING.
Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
Right. that is the main difference. You get a different coil if you split when you wire this way.
Shouldn't make 2 pups out of phase. Some combinations of coils wouldn't be humbucking, but then neither is using a coil by itself..
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In my case, not doing any of that. It's a Strat type, with HSH but the "S" is a Duncan Little '59 Single-Coil-Sized Humbucker, between 2 Carvin Humbuckers.
- No splits, just all wired as humbuckers strait to the 5-way switch.
Have had some trouble with the pole pieces buzzing if you touch them on the Little '59, & a little more noise from the Carvins than I would like.
Basically OK, but I've been trying to see if I could improve it..
Right. that is the main difference. You get a different coil if you split when you wire this way.
Shouldn't make 2 pups out of phase. Some combinations of coils wouldn't be humbucking, but then neither is using a coil by itself..
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In my case, not doing any of that. It's a Strat type, with HSH but the "S" is a Duncan Little '59 Single-Coil-Sized Humbucker, between 2 Carvin Humbuckers.
- No splits, just all wired as humbuckers strait to the 5-way switch.
Have had some trouble with the pole pieces buzzing if you touch them on the Little '59, & a little more noise from the Carvins than I would like.
Basically OK, but I've been trying to see if I could improve it..
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Re: Can you series link Black & Green?
In theory, you should be able to live without the string (bridge) ground if everything is wired & shielded correctly.
- I have never found it a satisfactory way to control noise; not only does it provide a path for the player to get a nasty shock if there is a problem with the amp, or house mains, but you still get noise every time you lift your fingers from the strings. Seems to me like a not-best-practice that we should all be moving away from..
If the guitar must have a string ground, I would at least do it through a high voltage cap, provides ground for RF, but isolates you from DC or 60Hz AC..
I've tried! One problem is the Carvins are "open" -don't have a metal cover.
I may replace them with Duncans with a cover @ some point, but I can't afford it this week..
In theory, you should be able to live without the string (bridge) ground if everything is wired & shielded correctly.
- I have never found it a satisfactory way to control noise; not only does it provide a path for the player to get a nasty shock if there is a problem with the amp, or house mains, but you still get noise every time you lift your fingers from the strings. Seems to me like a not-best-practice that we should all be moving away from..
If the guitar must have a string ground, I would at least do it through a high voltage cap, provides ground for RF, but isolates you from DC or 60Hz AC..
I've tried!
One problem is the Carvins are "open" -don't have a metal cover.I may replace them with Duncans with a cover @ some point, but I can't afford it this week..