Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

[IMENATOR]

So for some reason unknown my Eminence Private Jack did not arrive and I should get a refund. Back to my high power Greenback search and looking only for Celestions which I know are in stock I seem to be between pulling the trigger between G12H-75 Creamback and G12-50GL Lynchback. Has anyone in this forum used both of these? How would you describe them? Are they really too far from the Greenback sound? Which one do you like better for classic rock, which for metal, which one is more versatile?

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

Out of those, I have only tried the Creamback H-75, but I have also tried the standard G12M-Greenback.

It's a really cool speaker (the CB-H). It has hints of those woody/creamy mids that Greenbacks have, but it's also a lot more open in the highs (it's sizzly and emphasizes pick attack, but it's not really harsh), and has much tighter lows. I don't notice lots of speaker breakup, though. It's really open-sounding, but it's not stiff like a T-75 either. It's also noticeably more efficient.

Even though it is closely related to the G12M-65 Creamback, the H magnet also makes it its own thing. It's not as warm/woody/vocal as an M-magnet Creamback (or Greenback), but it's also not as strident as a Vintage 30, though it still has plenty of sizzle in the highs.

It does both metal and classic rock great.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

If you're going for a higher-powered Greenback tone, why not consider the G12M-65 Creamback?

 

[IMENATOR]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

If you're going for a higher-powered Greenback tone, why not consider the G12M-65 Creamback?

I don't know, do you think that is closer to the greenback tone as opposed to the G12H-75? It looks like I can get both and honestly I just started to hesitate on the H as it is 5 kg weigh, kind of goes against my original idea of a portable rig, I am old . The the M is only 3.6 kg which more like the original weight of the stock speaker of my ext cab.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

Well... when >I< think Greenback, >I< think M magnet. Warm, woody, creamy, smooth, etc. (though the H magnet greenbacks have the bold, edgy, Hendrixy thing going on).

The H magnet is edgier, more open, and louder.

Like I said, the H-75 does have a hint of those creamy, warm vintagey mids, but it's louder, brighter, bigger, wider-sounding than the M-65. Either way, both are killer speakers and will handle rock and metal equally great.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

i agree, when i think greenback i think M magnet. i love the H too but its a different beast

 

[dave74]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

LB or m65 would get you closer than the h75.

 

[67Mopar]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

Another speaker to consider, is the 80's era UK made Celestion G12T-75. Nothing like the China made version. The V30 was considered an "upgrade", but many find the UK made G12T-75 preferable.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

Another speaker to consider, is the 80's era UK made Celestion G12T-75. Nothing like the China made version. The V30 was considered an "upgrade", but many find the UK made G12T-75 preferable.

What if all you have is a pair of UK-made G12-T75’s from about the turn of the century? Would those be anything like the “real thing”?

 

[67Mopar]

Re: Celestion G12H-75 Creamback vs G12-50GL Lynchback ?

What if all you have is a pair of UK-made G12-T75’s from about the turn of the century? Would those be anything like the “real thing”?

Don't hold me to this, but I believe all G12T-75 drivers (speakers) made after 2002 are China made. If you can't tell by the markings, you can tap on the metal housings to tell which is China made vs UK made. China steel is soft; due to its low carbon content. How much this effects tone (if at all), I do not know? What I do know, is that China made drivers are prone to frame collapse, and so the fasteners will loosen over time. A collapsed frame will negatively affect cone ride. If you have a front-loaded cabinet, China made drivers are fine, as there is no gap between the frame and fasteners. If you have to use China made drivers in your rear-loaded cabinet, place washers between the inner frame and baffle to prevent collapse. IMO, all China made drivers should include spacers to prevent frame collapse in rear loaded cabinets.