Celestion Neo Creambacks

[Davii]

Anyone have any experience of these? I did do a quick site search, but that seemed to bring back just the odd mention of the standard version, and lots greenback results. I've a spare spot that needs filling, and I'm tempted, especially if the 10% discount eBay just sent me is usable against one.

In other news; I put an Eminence Basslite 12 in my new JVM410, just for the curiosity, and it seems to like single coils, and Nashville tuning. The Celestions that came with it are now on eBay, so as a bonus question - anyone know the ratings on the Marshall spec G12 Heritage and Vintage?

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: Celestion Neo Creambacks

The G12 Heritage is a higher power handling G12H30. It is not the G12H75 Creamback but predates it and only Marshall has it. Nevertheless it is voiced to sound like a G12H30 like the 75 watt Creamback. The G12 Vintage is the original Marshall proprietary Vintage 30. So they were going for the proven Vintage 30 and G12H30 mix, but the G12 H speaker in this case has about the same power handling as the V30. This way a 2 x12 combo can handle the 100 watt amp. If they just went with a Vintage and a G12H30 the power handling would be only 60 watts for the two speakers.

I have no experience with the Neo Creamback.

 

[Davii]

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Interesting, I'd anticipated they might have been more evenly matched in terms of output rating. I'd Googled before asking, and I get the impression that Marshall don't want to discuss their versions, and Celestion don't wish to tread on any [Marshall] toes by doing so themselves.

 

[Adieu]

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If you know a stock cab model loaded with Marshall Heritage speakers, just look up its power rating and divide by speaker count

Neo saves an underwhelming 3.7lbs per speaker vs M65 creams, but a rather more significant 6.2 lbs per speaker vs the H75 creams

For googling things that give trash results without search line parameters, use the + and "" commands. Just keep it to 3 terms total or google will ignore your will and feed you trash results anyway

Ex: +no "trash results"

So thus:
+celestion "neo creamback"
OR
celestion "neo creamback"
OR
"Neo creamback" +review



And if you seek obfuscated data with no published sheets, for speakers, try image search and see if you cant track down what the side and rear stickers on Marsha's magnets say

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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The Marshall G12 Heritage is rated to handle 70 watts. The Marshall Vintage is rated to handle 70 watts. So a 2 x12 with those two speakers is rated to handle 140 watts.

Oh they are both 100db sensitivity.

 

[jeremy]

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is the g12 heritage 100db? doesnt seem that efficient but since celestion wont release specs illl have to take your word for it

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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is the g12 heritage 100db? doesnt seem that efficient but since celestion wont release specs illl have to take your word for it

I'm taking someone elses word for it myself LOL. I found this on another forum though:

I had conversation with Dr.Decibel at Celestion years ago about the speaker. It is a high power G12H based on the 30W 55Hz speaker. It is a proprietary speaker for Marshall just as is the Vintage (G12V). It is the only G12 with a 2" voice coil. This model handles 70 watts RMS. They are or were usually paired with the G12V.

If you have lower power amplifier then I would use the Celestion G12H-55 (30 watt) since it has a better upper frequency range. I do. This Marshall Heritage speaker has more taper on the upper frequency ranges. But if you need power handling capability and pair it with the G12V then the pair cannot be beat. They are great together.

However, the Marshall Heritage has the M magnet which is usually associated with 97 db speakers. So I'm not so sure. But maybe the 2" voice coil has something to do with it. To the OP, If you ran them one at time back to back you could easily tell if ones louder than the other.

 

[jeremy]

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i think i still have one from a jtm30, ill have to pull it out and see how loud it is compared to a celestion i know the specs on

 

[Davii]

Re: Celestion Neo Creambacks

Thanks for all the input. I'd seen that Dr. Decibel post when Googling, I think it's also the one that says something along the lines of Celestion say ask Marshall, and Marshall say ask Celestion. Why are they so coy about specs?

 

[Adieu]

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Thanks for all the input. I'd seen that Dr. Decibel post when Googling, I think it's also the one that says something along the lines of Celestion say ask Marshall, and Marshall say ask Celestion. Why are they so coy about specs?

Much of it seems to be about how they sell batch orders, allegedly with "special sauce", to the likes of Mesa Marshall Orange etc., some badged, some not...

Maybe they're all identical, and some clients don't want it known. Maybe somebody intentionally specs something lower grade, like a crappier frame or cheaper mag, to shave a couple bucks off cost. Maybe some specs are actually superior, but contracts give em exclusivity. Maybe they know their main retail products are inferior, but don't want to go on record declaring it.

Or maybe somebody just feels the risk of adverts with "our Celestions are 2.73% louder than Marshall's or Mesa's Celestions" could mess with their overall brand strategy


...or somebody just thinks "special sauce mystique" is good for everyone's business all around.

 

[Davii]

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Hmm, my next batch of pickups should be made with extra added special sauce mystique. I shall call it Davii's Magic Sau... Ah, maybe not :-S

 

[Adieu]

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Hmm, my next batch of pickups should be made with extra added special sauce mystique. I shall call it Davii's Magic Sau... Ah, maybe not :-S

Wasn't that what Antiquities were?

 

[Jacew]

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I'm taking someone elses word for it myself LOL. I found this on another forum though:



However, the Marshall Heritage has the M magnet which is usually associated with 97 db speakers. So I'm not so sure. But maybe the 2" voice coil has something to do with it. To the OP, If you ran them one at time back to back you could easily tell if ones louder than the other.

Wouldn't that mean it's based of G12M, not H? If it has M magnet?

That's the main difference between those two.

 

[jeremy]

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we dont actually know what its based off since neither company will tell us but with the M magnet and 2" voice coil says its not a g12h

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

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It is Celestion that is saying that it is voiced on the G12H, and Marshall usually uses it mixed with their Vintage 30. It could be voiced to sound more like a G12H but using different methods. The G12H30 and the Vintage 30 is a popular mix, but maybe they wanted the Heritage to be specially tuned to this mix?

 

[Davii]

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I've a neo creamback on its way, should arrive tomorrow

 

[Davii]

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I'd just like to say... It's ruddy marvelous, innit