Cheaper amps like the Bluesbreaker/JTM45?

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Maybe look at one of the lower powered Marshalls out there? You'd be able to crank them a little more.


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Gibson175, what you said makes sense. I've heard it before but not really fully accepted it.

About getting the best amp for my budget, right now I'm gravitating towards either the Blues Deluxe/Deville, the Traynor YBA-1 head and a cab, or a silverface Bassman and a cab if I can find one for cheap. How would you rate these from worst to best overall amp designs?
 
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<--- straight in, no pedals



I still think a Bassman is a GREAT alternative.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Late-1970s-...8172?hash=item33ad50fd3c:g:GREAAOSwT5tWPkE g <---- $600.00

The above silverface Bassman can be converted to a Blackface - not much need to be altered. Any good tech can do it.
And you do not even have to spend money on a cab . . . it comes with its own cab !!!

4X10 drivers move more air than 2X12 units - easy maths !

In theory - BIGGER SOUND !
 
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There's also the Bandmaster which is similar and can be modified to bring it into Bassman/Marshall territory. Although the Bandmaster is more on the Fender side of the ledger.

 
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Re: Cheaper amps like the Bluesbreaker/JTM45?

I would LOVE to test drive the new Fender Bassbreaker . . . hell, i even like the name !






Britt sounding Fender :headbang:
 
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Yeah. the Bassbreakers seem like flat out Bassman/Bluesbreaker clone hybrids. Hopefully they get the best of both worlds...
 
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I second the used Ceriatone. Also look at the 18W circuit.

However, for blues and classic rock, there are a lot of great options. How many Non-Master Volume amps have you played? Smaller Fenders sound awesome cranked up, and have been used for countless blues and classic rock recordings. (Tweed Champ and Deluxe circuit, Princeton Reverb and Deluxe Reverb, and the aforementioned Bassman)
 
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A Certiatone Bassman or JTM45, or are there more models one should look for?
 
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Gibson175, what you said makes sense. I've heard it before but not really fully accepted it.

About getting the best amp for my budget, right now I'm gravitating towards either the Blues Deluxe/Deville, the Traynor YBA-1 head and a cab, or a silverface Bassman and a cab if I can find one for cheap. How would you rate these from worst to best overall amp designs?
Id say the old bassman even tho the other two are good gigging workhorse and excellent sounding amps for a couple of reasons:
1. The bassman circuit is old skool fibreboard construction making repairs or mods much easier than the modern much flimsier PCBs.
2. The pots and jacks are all full size, high quality and not hard wired to the PCB. Again easier to work on and more reliable in the first place.
3. The hotrods/bluesdeluxes/devilles etc all have MDF cabinets. Solid pine or plywood is much less prone to rattles and screws are less likely to thread out. The only downside of some silver face era fender combos and speaker cabinets is that often you find particle board in the speaker baffle, but i guess that is not really an issue with the amp itself, more just something to look out for when you are choosing a cab. If you do get an old fender cab with nice solid pine sides but a particle board baffle, it is easy and cheap to swap it out for pine or ply if you want to. Im only mentioning it cos all the modern fenders in the hotrod/blues series have mdf for the whole cabinet. It is not as unreliable as i make out, but i dont think it is as solid or toneful as pine or ply.
4. An old amp might need some repairs such as fresh electrolytic caps, but the modest investment in a couple of fairly cheap components is well worth it when you have an amp that will only increase in value. The repairs themselves (if necessary) are really easy to do anyway (see point 1).

The only real advantage of the deville is that it has reverb (not the greatest reverb fender has ever produced but still real spring reverb) and channel switching. The bassman however, if it is working as it should definitely will have a much richer, fatter and more inspiring clean tone due to the high quality of the transformers etc and the fact that it is constructed using the old techniques that are now reserved for "boutique" amps. That is a pretty good platform to add one of a bazillion great overdrive pedals out there to get the tones you like best and possibly some kind of reverb pedal if you feel the need for it.

My 2c. Hope it is useful.
 
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Yeah that was quite helpful, thanks a lot.

There is a listing on my local Craigslist for a Bugera V55HD for $200. I know its not really a Bluesbreaker/Bassman type sound, it seems to be voiced more like a Hot Rod/Blues Deluxe, but it is significantly cheaper than others are selling it for. Some people hate it, but lots love it especially for the price. Do you think it would be a good value and worth taking along with a 2x12 or 4x12 cab, or should I save up some more money for a Bassman head + cab? Also, what are your views on the Traynor YBA-1?
 
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I would keep my eyes open for a Ceriatone.
Yeah.....keep checking:
Ebay
Reverb
Craigslist
The Gear Page
Either Ceriatone, or a Marshall Reissue (as another member has already suggested).
good luck
 
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Man I love my used Carvin Bel Air with V30 and G12h-75 speakers. The speakers were an upgrade I did. Maybe a Peavey Delta Blues would be cool as well.
 
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Is the bugera the amp you want to be using in 5 or 10 or even 20 years? If not, wait until you find an amp that will fit the bill.
 
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I would LOVE to test drive the new Fender Bassbreaker . . . hell, i even like the name !






Britt sounding Fender :headbang:

I've tried them. I like them a lot. A real silverface Bassman is much cooler, but the Bassbreaker series is legit. They don't get very dirty but if you've got a decent pedalboard you're fine.
 
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I've tried them. I like them a lot. A real silverface Bassman is much cooler, but the Bassbreaker series is legit. They don't get very dirty but if you've got a decent pedalboard you're fine.


Thanks for the info !

Would you say a Blackface gets dirtier than this amp ?

Can the Bassbreaker do a decent low end ?
 
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I had a jtm30, it basically did an old priest sound. One of those that sounded good one day and not the next. Sold it.
 
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