Choosing a humbucker for Tokai LP

andrius

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I want to ask for some advices on what Seymour Duncan pickup to choose. I don't have much experience with the pickups, so my question MAY seem a little stupid.

I want to replace a brige humbucker on my Japanese Tokai LS98. It has got a "PAF-Vintage MK2" Made in Japan humbucker. After reading the Tokai forum, I assume, it's made by Keyio and its resistance is about 11,5k.

I want a lower output clear, bright and tight pickup (I play through a quite dark amp). I use the guitar mostly for classic rock, so I use distortion a lot, but I like playing clean too. I've narrowed my choice to these Seymour Duncans:
'59 model SH-1
Alnico II Pro™ APH-1
Pearly Gates™ SH-PG1
Seth Lover Model™ SH-55
Jazz Model™ SH-2

Like I said, I am looking for the brightets and tightest of them, because my amp is pretty dark and doesn't work well with loose bottom end. Please give me some comments about these pickups.

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My biggest issue with my current pickup is that (at least with my Laney amps) it has got too much of the lower end when played through the amp's Drive channel, which results in an unpleasantly distorted loose sound (too much low frequencies going into the preamp) - so I am forced to using a Tubescreamer to cut off some of the bottom end. I want a pickup that has tight bottom end so that it worked fine with my amp without any OD pedal (without cutting the low frequencies before sending it into the preamp). So I need a bright tight pickup (I am playing through a quite dark amp).

I tried an almost identical Tokai with MK3 pickups (higher output and overall slightly cheaper pickups), and I did not have the problems with the bottom end. I don't know how much those pickups are different, but distorted MK3 had tighter bottom end and hence sounded better than MK2 to me. Unfortunately, I don't know MK2 specifications, so I hope that someone who knows those pickups will show up.
 
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Sounds like you want a Custom or Custom 5. I prefer the Custom because of the extra oomph the ceramic gives it and the bass is a *hair* tighter than the Custom 5 with it's A5 mag.
 
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I decided to go with the low output pickups from Seymour Duncan. I've narrowed my choice to these:
'59 model SH-1
Alnico II Pro™ APH-1
Pearly Gates™ SH-PG1
Seth Lover Model™ SH-55
Jazz Model™ SH-2

Please give me comments advices about these pickups. Like I said, I need a bright tight pickup (I am playing through a quite dark amp).

By the way, what does a description like: "spongy bottom end" mean? And when people talk about warm tone, what do they mean by that? (I took those words from SD descriptions)
 
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Please give me comments advices about these pickups. Like I said, I need a bright tight pickup (I am playing through a quite dark amp).

You are working on the wrong side of the sound chain. These pickups are already brite. I own a set of Mk-2 in my Tokai ES. They are A5 pickups, the bridge probably with AWG 43 wire. They are well made with a great bridge tone.
First i recommend a proper set up with new strings. The screw pole should be not to near to the low strings, the neck set up should not be to low to get a buzz free tone.
Second i would yank out the wiring harness with those crumpy alpha pots. Mine were underspec'd in the low 400s. The selector switch made noises after 2 years. (Caveat: These pots are metric - you need slightly larger holes to get decent CTS pots in. Or get a full wired harness. I recommend Jonsey Blues http://www.jonesyblues.com/.

Next is you amp: a dark amp need a cap/tube service or different speakers. Dont let your tone be ruined by a inferior or wrong amp!
 
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I would go for the '59s. The A5 magnet is going to give you a tighter bass than A2, although some find the bass too boomy in the neck.

The Jazz is going to be brighter than the '59, with a little less bass. I've never used a Jazz bridge pickup, although Jolly swears by them. I *love* the Jazz neck pickup though! It reminds me of the '59 and pairs well with it. My Epi Dot has the Jazz neck '59 bridge and I love it!

The third pickup I would recommend would be the PG. It would be a little looser than the '59 or the Jazz, but it's still a great pickup!
 
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You are working on the wrong side of the sound chain. These pickups are already brite. I own a set of Mk-2 in my Tokai ES. They are A5 pickups, the bridge probably with AWG 43 wire. They are well made with a great bridge tone.
First i recommend a proper set up with new strings. The screw pole should be not to near to the low strings, the neck set up should not be to low to get a buzz free tone.
Second i would yank out the wiring harness with those crumpy alpha pots. Mine were underspec'd in the low 400s. The selector switch made noises after 2 years. (Caveat: These pots are metric - you need slightly larger holes to get decent CTS pots in. Or get a full wired harness. I recommend Jonsey Blues http://www.jonesyblues.com/.




There are two types of MK2 - made by Keyio and made by Gotoh. I think Gotoh are fitted into higher end Tokai (and they are of lower output) and Keyio are with lower end (like mine, higher output). I think that is very important. Maybe you are talking about the Gotoh ones. Some people say MK2 is muddy, and I think they are referring to Keyio.

I'll try to get more information about the pots, but still I think I want a different pickup. Mine is 11,5kOhm, and, like blueman335 said, that's not really vintage. I want a lower output thing.


Next is you amp: a dark amp need a cap/tube service or different speakers. Dont let your tone be ruined by a inferior or wrong amp!

My amp has got a good speaker (Celestion Heritage G12H) and I don't think it's a bad amp.
 
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A 59 would be great in that guitar and with the right wiring perfect.You might need an mxr eq pedal to get your sound though.
 
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As I hear them:

'59 model SH-1 - sharp high end, scooped mids, lots of bass, firm low end (usually), can be boomy in the neck slot, A5 mag.

Alnico II Pro™ APH-1 - like a PG but a little fuller and warmer (less treble), A2 mag. lots of dynamics.

Pearly Gates™ SH-PG1 - lots of mids, looser low end, big sounding neck PU from all the mids, bridge is fairly bright. lots of dynamics, A2 mag.

Seth Lover Model™ SH-55 - like a more open-sounding PG, unpotted so it 'breathes' more. This is vintage PAF. lots of dynamics.

Jazz Model™ SH-2 - clean, clear, well defined. Not as much color and personality as the other PU's listed.
 
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Could you please explain me what "firm low end" means? English is not my native language, so I don't understand the meaning of some sayings.
 
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Could you please explain me what "firm low end" means? English is not my native language, so I don't understand the meaning of some sayings.

Tight bass, not loose-sounding. A5's have a tight, firm low end. A2's have a loose, flabby-sounding low end.
 
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I'm using a Tokai LP LS140 myself and slammed in a set of Jazz/JB Antiquity. The pickups work great in that Tokai. The Jazz/JBB Antiquity sounds nothing like the regular Jazz/JB.

The Jazz is clear and warm in the neck while the JB is warm but still a screamer with none of the weird mids we've known the JB for. It made the Tokai sound more LP-like than it was. Both pickups have a wonderful character, making the Tokai singy and vocal. Clean tones can be obtained from the Jazz without adjustments on the guitar's volume or tone knob. And surprisingly, with some play on the volume and tone knob, wonderful cleans can be had from the JB too. Middle position is simply glorious.

The pickups are both sweet and polite, rude and aggressive. A Jekyll and Hyde, depending on how you run them, or what you run them into. Overtones from this set are amazing too. Give them a shot, you might like it.
 
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antiquity jb/jazz set would be a great option imho given what you are describing.

Yup. I was on this quest myself and it wasn't easy. My initial choice was a Pearly Gates set, which would have still been wonderful but might not be too far off from the Keiyo pickups (most current MIJ Love Rocks up to LS150 I think come these pickups; Gotoh pickups are on the older models). So I decided to just jump the gun on the Jazz/JB Antiquity set. And SD correspondence was right, the set is nothing like the current production Jazz/JB and matches the Tokai LP well. Jazz, blues and rock tones are all in there.
 
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