Chorus...where In Chain ???????

59paul

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OK, say you have 3 stomp boxes: Overdrive, Chorus, and Delay. How would YOU put these in line ??? ( From Guitar to amp ) . I'd go Guitar, OD, Chorus, Delay, Amp ..............but I'm not a big effects guy. So.....post YOUR opinion. :)
 
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I'd go with the same order...unless you have an effects loop. Then I'd put the delay and chorus there.
 
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Jeff_H said:
I'd go with the same order...unless you have an effects loop. Then I'd put the delay and chorus there.
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Yep, modulators work best in the loop. Wah and OD up front.
 
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Rule of thumb is gain-> pitch -> echo

Thus all gain effects go first, anything like chorus, flanger, etc next, then echo, reverb etc last.

Treat the gain on your amp as an effect also, so all gain pedals go into the front of the amp, pitch and echo into the effects loop.

From there on in, just go with what sounds best! I always run into my EQ then my crybaby before anything else in the chain (hate the way the wah sounds in the effects loop). I've got a multi-effects unit in the effects loop where I sometimes add a little compression. Just 'cos I prefer the way that sounds.

Trust your ears.
 
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southadc said:
Rule of thumb is gain-> pitch -> echo

Thus all gain effects go first, anything like chorus, flanger, etc next, then echo, reverb etc last.

Treat the gain on your amp as an effect also, so all gain pedals go into the front of the amp, pitch and echo into the effects loop.

From there on in, just go with what sounds best! I always run into my EQ then my crybaby before anything else in the chain (hate the way the wah sounds in the effects loop). I've got a multi-effects unit in the effects loop where I sometimes add a little compression. Just 'cos I prefer the way that sounds.

Trust your ears.
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Generally speaking this pretty much nails it;However chorus after delay is very useful, also after reverb ...reverb into delay is a like it or not type of thing, it's cool sometimes, and not cool at other times, depending on how much is used. I bring this out because some amp effects loops have the reverb going through them (in the case of using a preamp output/power amp input as an effects loop).The chorus after delay and or reverb is really useful though, thru the fx loops with all delay based modulation effects (as these good people have stated). Chorus can go before overdrive, and is kinda cool for that Rush/Alex Lifeson type of thing .. but generally not. Delay into overdrive causes problems from muddiness to delays getting cleaner as they drift out, to not being able to get a descent decay.
 
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Interesting stuff isn't it? The reverb placed before the effects loop on amps is one I've spotted before and wondered about - but I think I'd rather kill the reverb on the amp and buy a reverb pedal than buy the grief of trying to move it to after the effects loop on the amp :saeek:
 
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If it's a stereo chorus you might want to try it last split into two amps sometime just for the heck of it.
 
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Rid said:
But if you don't like that added top from a chorus, it also sounds good before the od.
I do that alot, since I am not the biggest fan of chorus after od.
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:laugh2: I do that too. You can get a good sqeal out of the Chorus with the rate down. Haha!
 
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I would add that if you're in a situation to do it and are willing to cede some artistic control to the soundman, the best place for chorus and especially delay is the board IMO. I've only worked with one soundman I'd trust to do that, RIP Grey.
 
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Pandemonium said:
If it's a stereo chorus you might want to try it last split into two amps sometime just for the heck of it.
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Best use of stereo chorus right there. The last thing my signal chain sees before the power amp is an old Rockman Stereo chorus. I swear I can just stand in between those two stereo 2x12's and be absolutely mesmerized by hitting one solid chord.
 
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Rid said:
But if you don't like that added top from a chorus, it also sounds good before the od.
I do that alot, since I am not the biggest fan of chorus after od.
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Yeah, a chorus after the distortion just begs for an effects level control because of all those harmonics being effected. It's real easy to run into what a friend of mine calls *crunchy water* ... kinda cool, but it can get real annoying. The problem with the effect level, generally you need two settings, one for clean, and one for dirty ... Thanks GOD someone invented rack gear!
 
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Hawkman said:
Best use of stereo chorus right there. The last thing my signal chain sees before the power amp is an old Rockman Stereo chorus. I swear I can just stand in between those two stereo 2x12's and be absolutely mesmerized by hitting one solid chord.
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I still like the Roland way of direct on one side, and effect (read modulated delay voice) on the other ... sounds great for leads; however the direct+delayed voice on one side, and the direct+phase inverted delayed voice on the other side (that side to side swirl you are referring to) sounds great on chord work.
 
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Hehe yeah I am about to mod my Ibanez for a more dark tone, changing the mids slightly if I can get the right sound.
I like fat dark modulation on some things, I am not fond of transparent chorus/Flangers/Phasers, they need that something extra fatness.
 
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Rid said:
Hehe yeah I am about to mod my Ibanez for a more dark tone, changing the mids slightly if I can get the right sound.
I like fat dark modulation on some things, I am not fond of transparent chorus/Flangers/Phasers, they need that something extra fatness.
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That's why I like that effect one channel/direct other channel so much ... it actually sound a bit more like two guitars playing in unison, than some effect ... plus it mixes to mono great.
 
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Heh yeah...I mostly too lazy to set up an extra amp..lol but direct and a wet setup really drives it home...
By the way I have not forgotten you, we are just a bit busy at work right now, I'll have some info next week I gather:)
 
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Rid said:
Heh yeah...I mostly too lazy to set up an extra amp..lol but direct and a wet setup really drives it home...
By the way I have not forgotten you, we are just a bit busy at work right now, I'll have some info next week I gather:)
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Oh no problem man, I imagine you have your hands full tweaking that plexitone ... Cool!
 
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Heh nah we are getting that bugger down on pcb now....but if the optos do not cut it, we will skip the remote until we have more time.
It needs to be silent switching, but I think we can use almost the same setup as with the combinator.
 
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