Coil splitting diagram question

[Exemonium]

On my Les Paul guitar I'm feeling I want to do some coil tapping to it as well. I'd prefer it if it could be done with 1 push/pull pot. I found 1 diagram that makes some sense that it'd work. I get that I can't do 1 sing+1Hum with this wiring, which is ok. But it's labeling as north and south. There's also a page deciphering which wire color are which for each company.

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/ca...wiring_diagrams.humbucker_wiring_color_codes/

I know I'm overcomplicating, and no, there's no other reason that I don't do two. Other than I don't want to pop two push/pulls if I need it quickly (which may happen since I play for musical theater often) I'd like to be sure the outer coil is being used in Neck for a warmer tone., and most likely the outer on bridge as well.

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/pr...ay-Toggle-Switch2-Volumes2-TonesCoil-Tap.html

In this diagram it mentions the north coil of Neck and south coils of bridge will be used. Are those the ones I'm looking for?

Is there an advantage to wiring on vol vs tone pots? (Though if that's diagram is right, I'll follow that)

The reason I ask if those are right is because of this
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=coil_splitting

That shows it differently.

Help is greatly appreciated, I mean if I have to do 1 per pickup, I will. But then, I'd need to be sure I'm using the coils I want when splitting, so I'll still need a helping hand there too.

...or maybe I'll jimmy page wire it and call it a day haha

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Coil splitting diagram question

Yes. Plenty of options with a pair of four conductor + shield humbuckers.

I suggest that you decide precisely what it is that you wish to be able to do and then seek a suitable schematic diagram.

The two obvious (but imperfect) options are;
1) Triple Shot mounting surrounds
2) The Jimmy Page wiring.

NOTE - If you need to select which coil stays on during a split, the phase reversal switching in the JP circuit allows you to shift between the two.


Personally, I would go with this - only with .022uF capacitors. http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2ts_2v_2t_phsp

One of the great ironies in guitar electronics is that, although Page has all of those switchable options at his fingertips, he mainly uses the basic three sounds of a regular Gibson LP. (Good enough for almost sixty years!)

 

[Exemonium]

Re: Coil splitting diagram question

I was just joking about the JP wiring hehe. I only want to split them(knowing that both will be split at the same time), but would prefer to do it on one push/pull keeping outers active, if that's possible.

If it's not, then do I follow Seymour's guide to coil splitting so I get the outer coils?
Also in doing so is it better to use push pulls in place of vol or tone?

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Coil splitting diagram question

I was just joking about the JP wiring hehe.

I wasn't. If you go with the full Page circuit, pretty much every coil permutation becomes available. You would never need to rewire the guitar again.

I only want to split them ... do I follow Seymour's guide to coil splitting so I get the outer coils?

Yes. The third diagram in your OP shows the required conductor order.

Please be aware that using the coil of the bridge/treble PU nearer to the bridge could result in a sound that is too thin to be fit to use. Forum regular, ArtieToo, usually suggests splitting to have the slug coil of the bridge pickup and the screw coil of the neck pickup. This leaves the "both pickups in" combination hum-cancelling.

Also in doing so is it better to use push pulls in place of vol or tone?

Depends how much use you make of the controls. I am ridiculously fussy about the resistance track and rotational feel of my volume pots. For this reason, I prefer to employ push-pull pots under the Tone controls. On a Les Paul type guitar, some would consider that the Tone control knobs are too far away to operate swiftly on stage.

 

[Exemonium]

Re: Coil splitting diagram question

I wasn't. If you go with the full Page circuit, pretty much every coil permutation becomes available. You would never need to rewire the guitar again.

Yea, I've thought about trying this before. I'm just not sure how much I would use the other stuff. Guess I'll do some searches on sound samples with the series, and out of phase stuff. I love versatility. I know 1 guitar won't ever be "all" guitars, but closely faking it is good enough for me.

Please be aware that using the coil of the bridge/treble PU nearer to the bridge could result in a sound that is too thin to be fit to use. Forum regular, ArtieToo, usually suggests splitting to have the slug coil of the bridge pickup and the screw coil of the neck pickup. This leaves the "both pickups in" combination hum-cancelling.

...wow, I'm glad you said something! I completely didn't even think about the hum-cancelling. But I did wonder if the outer would be too bright, and that answers my question.

On a Les Paul type guitar, some would consider that the Tone control knobs are too far away to operate swiftly on stage.

I kinda was thinking the same thing. I always know where my volumes are, tone is a little more fumbled for. But at the same time, crazy strumming may pop a vol knob back in. So, methinks tone might be better, and I'll learn where it is ;-)

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Coil splitting diagram question

Triple Shots are the easiest solution to get all the coil combinations there are except phase reversal, but that can be accomplished with push/pulls in the tone pots. I would be willing to bet that you wouldn't use it though.

 

[Exemonium]

Re: Coil splitting diagram question

actually the phase reversal is the only reason I wanted to go for the JP wiring over two push/pulls for split coil. But after seeing all these JP diagrams, I'm ready to give in. Just don't want to spend the money on the triple shots. Buuuut it's looking like I may. I just hope I can find them locally...my pickups have been taunting me on my table for a week now :-(