Custom VS. Custom 8 Clips

Jeffsmusic4919

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I was looking to add some mid-range to my Custom so it sounds more like a Super '70. I had added an Alnico 8 to a Custom to hear the results. I noticed two things, many people put these in SG's, Ibanez SZ's and I couldn't find many clips. This wasn't done extremely scientifically but controlled the variables as much as possible. The playing isn't perfect or exactly the same as I am more of an improvisational player. I played with picking dynamics to see how the amp, pickups and pedals reacted also. These clips are a Seymour Duncan Custom and Custom 8 in an Ibanez SZ 720FM. Played through a Marshall Shred Master, boosted with a Snouse Black Box, into a Marshall 6100LM on the boosted track. The regular clean channel, the lowest gain channel for crunch and just the Shred Master for Drive. Recorded with a CAD E100 into a Presonus 16/4/2, normalized and uploaded. The speaker cab is a 100 watt greenback Marshall from '98.

Cleans
250k Pot Custom

250k Pot Custom 8

500k Pot Custom 8




Crunch
250k Pot Custom

250k Pot Custom 8

500k Pot Custom 8


Drive
250k Pot Custom

250k Pot Custom 8

500k Pot Custom 8


Boosted Drive
250k Pot Custom

250k Pot Custom 8

500k Pot Custom 8
 
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Re: Custom VS. Custom 8 Clips

I like the custom8 clip with 500k the most of all. (boosted drive).

With the 250k I prefer the standard custom.

Of course that's only going off sound, not feel. That's where I almost always like ceramics better, in the feel department.
 
Re: Custom VS. Custom 8 Clips

Yes, I totally agree with you on all of that. The 500k helped make up for the change in highs. I never thought that I would ever mess with that custom in that guitar. Once it went in, it never came out till now. I also have ceramics in almost all of my guitars and agree I like the feel. There really is something about Super '70 that I really like for this tuning and style.The thing is that the testing for the SZ could've sounded way better. The reference tracks were done with an '81 Iceman with a Super '70 and sound way better to me. Seeing as my original idea was to compare the two and that guitar just kills with this setup, I never changed tone settings for the SZ. These SZ tracks sound kinda dull in comparison to the Iceman ones. I thought that my strings were as new as the ones on the Iceman and maybe they aren't, doh. That could be some of it, the Iceman has brass saddles and nut, that too could affect it as well.
 
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After doing some A8 swaps over the past 5 years, I will say that I did not do this test correctly. I realized that like many others, the magnet needs to be in the pickup for maybe 2 weeks? for the magnet to totally acclimate to the new pickup. The clips are probably better as a test between different pots values. This test did not let the magnets in the pickup for longer than a few hours.

A8's in many of the pickups that I have tried really squishes? the treble frequencies. It softens the attack, perhaps is a better way to say it. For some reason, the custom does not have the same problem. This remains the only pickup the A8 swaps works very well in, in my opinion. After this test, I did swap back to the ceramic. I have since decided to sell that guitar too.

The SZ required a trembucker. I accidentally ordered a normal spacing one. Good for me now that I am looking for a pickup for a Les Paul. I tried the A8 in a Screaming demon and it was not high enough in gain, kind of thin and squished the high end attack. So... onto the Custom...too bright and missing low mids in that guitar. In goes the A8 again for a Custom 8. I waited two weeks and revisited the guitar.

The results were exactly what the reviews stated, a more even sounding pickup. In comparison to a Distortion, an EVO2 and others... it seems tame and well behaved. I really would like it to be wound a bit closer to 16k or so. I think the extra winds would tame the high end some and get it closer in output to my other pickups. I will lower the pickups in my other guitars and see what happens.

As an example of the difference between the Distortion and the Custom 8. A Les Paul with C8 and a non trem super strat with the distortion. The distortion sounded very bloated in the low end. A SZ guitar with an EVO2 was probably a closer match. The C8 was still more well behaved, clearer and has better note separation.

I tried a Blackened Black Winter(Lacking bass), Demon8, Alternative 8(too mid forward), the Gibson Slash Pickup(Muddy low end), Nazgul(Too angry sounding), Nailnomb with a Ceramic mag(mid forward and angry) and now the Custom 8. This seems the best so far. This guitar is just such a mid forward guitar that lacks bass, it is tough to find something that meshes with my other guitars without twisting the EQ controls on the amp. The guitar still has the mid forward thing. It is more pleasing to the ears now. I am beginning to think most Pauls are the same mid forward sounding instrument. It would make them great for cutting through in a mix. No surprise why lead players love these guitars. I am still not quite convinced that I will get out of this guitar what I was hoping for, time will tell.

I may have to go with an A5 with a higher wind to get where I am going. I tried Tone Zone in a J5 tele with a fat maple neck that has the same mid forward low bass sound. It did get the "honk' under control but the vowel sound A,E,I,O,U shifted to a place where it isn't quite right yet. And, it is a bit of an aggressive sounding pickup too. I had the pickup rerouted farther away from the bridge and the bass response was much better. I can't do that with the Paul. Maybe a BN Cold Sweat will work too?

I hope this quest ends soon. I think that I bought the Les Paul in the winter of 2020 and have yet to settle on something.
 
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Well, the Cold Sweat is more scooped and a bit less hot than the Nailbomb, and for my money it's one of the best LP/Explorer bridge pickups out there. It's pretty bright. I love it in a mid heavy guitar. No idea if it would be your cup of tea, it sounds like there's something very particular you're going for and LPs can be pretty different from one another. If you want something with a little more Alnico V squish, the Rebel Yell has a similar vibe and EQ to the Cold Sweat. I find they're both sensitive to height adjustments and it's really important to dial them in.
 
I just came across these clips, and I wanted to thank the OP for making them. It's cool to read people's experiences with magnet swaps. But it's a hell of a lot more useful to actually hear what they're doing.

Based on the clean clip, I gather that A8 is a tad hotter and drives the amp a bit harder than Ceramic even?

I love my Custom as is, but I was thinking about getting a second Custom and dropping an A8 magnet for a guitar that's a bit tighter, thinner, and quieter. This might be the ticket!
 
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