Definition Of Insanity
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Kamanda~SD
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Great article. For those wanting more check out his Q&A's on Gearslutz (https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-mike-shipley/)
Great article. For those wanting more check out his Q&A's on Gearslutz (https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-mike-shipley/)
TwilightOdyssey
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Though both Def Leppard albums have a distinct style, for sure, it's really the songwriting that made those albums. It sounds like it was just an exhaustive walk-fest working on those albums and they are the very definition of 'over produced'.
Though both Def Leppard albums have a distinct style, for sure, it's really the songwriting that made those albums. It sounds like it was just an exhaustive walk-fest working on those albums and they are the very definition of 'over produced'.
ICTGoober
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Even today, when I hear a tune from Hysteria or Pyromania on the radio or computer I am amazed at how good the production sounds. I chalk it all up to Mutt, of course - but I can imagine the torture of the band members working on an album for over a year.
Even today, when I hear a tune from Hysteria or Pyromania on the radio or computer I am amazed at how good the production sounds. I chalk it all up to Mutt, of course - but I can imagine the torture of the band members working on an album for over a year.
Kamanda~SD
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Mutt had a big hand in songwriting as well, which is why they left the drums until the end so they could change the arrangements all they wanted. Over produced? Yeah. But it's the best kind of overproduced, if it wasn't for the pain staking tediousness of it, it would not sound nearly as good
Mutt had a big hand in songwriting as well, which is why they left the drums until the end so they could change the arrangements all they wanted. Over produced? Yeah. But it's the best kind of overproduced, if it wasn't for the pain staking tediousness of it, it would not sound nearly as good
Kamanda~SD
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Very True. That's the power Mutt had/ has though. He didn't let any record execs in. When they first heard it they didn't like it...even the first guy the sent it to called it 'unmasterable' so then he sent it to Bob Ludwig (THE mastering guy in case those of you don't know) and the rest is history.
Very True. That's the power Mutt had/ has though. He didn't let any record execs in. When they first heard it they didn't like it...even the first guy the sent it to called it 'unmasterable' so then he sent it to Bob Ludwig (THE mastering guy in case those of you don't know) and the rest is history.
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Reading this article, I find it interesting from a 'we have endless resources, let's see what we can do' point of view. It is like a kitchen sink analogy.
However, any great producer, working with a great band, and great songs doesn't need 100 overdubs of detuned handclaps to make a hit. Yes, it is unique. But it also seems like they could have done it for less than $14 million.
Reading this article, I find it interesting from a 'we have endless resources, let's see what we can do' point of view. It is like a kitchen sink analogy.
However, any great producer, working with a great band, and great songs doesn't need 100 overdubs of detuned handclaps to make a hit. Yes, it is unique. But it also seems like they could have done it for less than $14 million.
Kamanda~SD
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Mincer - Certainly agree. Seems like it's what they all wanted to achieve. I mean, look at the AC/DC albums Mutt did...pretty much the opposite of how those DL albums sound.
Mincer - Certainly agree. Seems like it's what they all wanted to achieve. I mean, look at the AC/DC albums Mutt did...pretty much the opposite of how those DL albums sound.
LLL
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I think the guitar tone on High n Dry is one for the ages... e.g. one of the best ever.
Just like AC/DC's Back In Black (Mutt Lange again; previously).
I think the guitar tone on High n Dry is one for the ages... e.g. one of the best ever.
Just like AC/DC's Back In Black (Mutt Lange again; previously).
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Oh, I will take Back & Black over any DL recorded tone. And they used an actual drummer playing the drums. Hard to believe the same person produced both, although I am generally not a fan of his production. I like some of the tunes on High n Dry, though, and it would be interesting to hear what DL would sound like in a room with their instruments playing through the songs. I bet it would sound great.
Oh, I will take Back & Black over any DL recorded tone. And they used an actual drummer playing the drums. Hard to believe the same person produced both, although I am generally not a fan of his production. I like some of the tunes on High n Dry, though, and it would be interesting to hear what DL would sound like in a room with their instruments playing through the songs. I bet it would sound great.
Joey Voltage
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I don’t hear timelessness in either. Both bands sound like the era they were produced in.
I don’t hear timelessness in either. Both bands sound like the era they were produced in.
Joey Voltage
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They then had the hard part of trying to put on a live show with the material. This was before people were rigging up pro tools rigs as part of live performances. There are many interviews where both Clark and Collen discuss how difficult it was to condense all the layering into a live performance.
They then had the hard part of trying to put on a live show with the material. This was before people were rigging up pro tools rigs as part of live performances. There are many interviews where both Clark and Collen discuss how difficult it was to condense all the layering into a live performance.
Joey Voltage
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That’s what they do now a days. With exception of their trade mark gang vocals, They haven’t done that huge layered sound on a studio release since adrenalized or retro active if you want to be a stickler. If you hit up YouTube you will find a myriad of newish live performances they have done, and their post adrenalized albums are more raw guitar recorded instead of the rockman sheen. Even with out Steve they still haven’t lost their ability to make some interesting sounding songs and arrangements.
That’s what they do now a days. With exception of their trade mark gang vocals, They haven’t done that huge layered sound on a studio release since adrenalized or retro active if you want to be a stickler. If you hit up YouTube you will find a myriad of newish live performances they have done, and their post adrenalized albums are more raw guitar recorded instead of the rockman sheen. Even with out Steve they still haven’t lost their ability to make some interesting sounding songs and arrangements.
