Did Gibson use cryogenically treated frets recently?

My research suggests that they used it sporadically until about 2018. This is probably when they ran out of their initial supply. As I've posted, the frets looked brand now, so the treatment obviously works well to prevent wear. I would like to see a Gibson fretted with this stuff 20 years down the road - will they still look new and untouched? Only time will tell. Hope I don't run into another guitar so equipped - frets that don't wear are bad news for repair guys....
 
Not being familiar with what this process is supposed to do....what is this process supposed to do?
 
Not being familiar with what this process is supposed to do....what is this process supposed to do?

Cryogenic treatment slowly reduces the temperature of the material to -300 degrees and holds it for 20 hours before bringing the temp back up slowly. This process compresses the crystalline structure of the metal, making it denser and harder. It reduces wear and deformation of the metal - which is what happens to normal nickel silver frets during playing.
 
Cryogenic treatment slowly reduces the temperature of the material to -300 degrees and holds it for 20 hours before bringing the temp back up slowly. This process compresses the crystalline structure of the metal, making it denser and harder. It reduces wear and deformation of the metal - which is what happens to normal nickel silver frets during playing.

Ahhh, I didn't know this. I wonder why they just don't use a harder metal to begin with?
 
Ahhh, I didn't know this. I wonder why they just don't use a harder metal to begin with?

You have suggestions, Dave? Got your engineering degree handy?

Don't say titanium - it's strong and light, but not easy to form. Good wear resistance? Believe it or not - cast iron is tough as hell. You want exotics like Inconel or Waspalloy? High dollar. Someone suggested depleted uranium which would be heavy as hell, but resists heavy artillery.

I'm making fun of you, Dave. There's a reason nickel silver has been used almost 100 years. It works.
 
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You have suggestions, Dave? Got your engineering degree handy?

Don't say titanium - it's strong and light, but not easy to form. Good wear resistance? Believe it or not - cast iron is tough as hell. You want exotics like Inconel or Waspalloy? High dollar. Someone suggested depleted uranium which would be heavy as hell, but resists heavy artillery.

I'm making fun of you, Dave. There's a reason nickel silver has been used almost 100 years. It works.

Nothing that exotic. Just stainless steel.
 
I am in the camp of using a harder fret that pasts longer. 95% of guitars perhaps never get refretted and if they do, it is only done once, and generally only for repair. There is only a small percentage of guitarists neurotic enough to want to reduce the thickness of a perfectly good fret, but they do exist. I own three guitars that could probably use a refret, but apparently, the low and invisible fret is a thing I was not aware of? I don't particularly care for low frets, but I will live with whatever I am handed. I prefer medium jumbo frets with a very small flat spot on the top, not ever totally rounded. Why do you ask? Well, I am a string bender and found with perfectly crowned frets, that I quickly develop a flat spot anyway on the strings I bend most often. This obviously creates an uneven fret landing where it transitions between round and flattened. I found with a slightly flattened top ( all the way across ) the increased surface area resists wear a little longer before it gets too flat.

I have had some weird requests over the years repairing guitars, but I guess I have not come across the guy that wants to spend lots of money to make their perfectly fine frets be flatter and lower.

I feel that using a harder fret such as Cryo treated frets of simply Stainless just makes a guitar that once you get it where you want it ( based on the frets original profile ), it just lasts longer and you may never truly need a refret. You only get a couple or few refrets, before the neck is at risk of needing much more involved work or other tricky solutions to retain the frets securely. So I try and build guitars to need that job ONCE, when it was built.
 
Most repair guys would think the cryo frets are uncool.... because fret levels and refrets are money in the bank....
 
Now that I think about it, other than materials, there hasn't been a huge advancement in fret design for years. However, I think in the 70s there were experiments with triangular frets and sawtooth frets as well.
 
Now that I think about it, other than materials, there hasn't been a huge advancement in fret design for years. However, I think in the 70s there were experiments with triangular frets and sawtooth frets as well.

Wasnt there a guitar company that made a fretboard that the frets were a molded part of the board? Each fret was kinda like a little triangle where the peak of the triangle was the fret.
 
Wasnt there a guitar company that made a fretboard that the frets were a molded part of the board? Each fret was kinda like a little triangle where the peak of the triangle was the fret.

Yes - the Bond. Back in the 80's.
 
Never had a chance to play one, but it was a cool idea. I don't know how they handled 'wear' since the fret was part of the fretboard. You can sort of see it in this pic.

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That is exactly the one I was thinking of. Thats about the closest thing I can think of to innovations in frets

Ok sorry for thread highjacking back to regularly scheduled program
 
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