different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

brit84

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Im want a boost for my amp when i want to do solos. So far ive looked into the rgw bad bob, mxr micro amp, and sd pu booster. I will be running my amp kranked. Will a boost pedal such as the above examples let me go from my all out gain and raise the volume higher for a solo? or will they be hidden by the gain already there. See, im not sure if these are meant to be used to boost smaller tube amps into gain, or if they can raise the volume on an already loud amp without chaging my volume......hope that made sence

My other question is, where should i put my effects, in the fx chain or direct into the input? Lineup is
-Wah, booster pedal (once i get one), delay, noise gate.
 
Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

For the moment, let's assume you're getting your overdrive from a pedal rather than your amp. If you place the boost before the overdrive, you're pushing the overdrive harder and should get more drive as a result. If you place the boost after the overdrive, you're boosting an already overdriven signal, so you should get more volume boost.

In short, you can use the booster to primarily increase either the drive or the volume.

Since the overdrive is coming from your amp, not a pedal, the de facto placement of your boost pedal is before the overdrive, which will serve to increase drive (or cause the amp to break up sooner, if not already breaking up). This is what guys like Clapton, Iommi and May did with a Rangemaster boost to get more drive.

These days, you can get a clean (FET) boost that will do more to focus on just bumping the volume of the amp. You'll still get an increase in drive, but there's less coloration when compared to a treble boost like the Rangemaster. I don't know much about the MXR or Duncan pedals, but I think the Bad Bob should do the volume boost you want when kicking into a solo. I use a Keeley Time Machine Boost, and one side of it is a clean FET boost capable of doing just what you had asked.

As for pedal order, most will tell you "There is no right way to set up your effects." However, there are places to start with effect order that make logical sense based on minimizing noise and maximizing utility and tonal control. Try this at first:

wah > boost > gate > delay

I'd keep the gate before the delay. Otherwise, you run into the possibility that the gate will clip off some of the delay's repeats if they're subtle enough. However, placing the gate after other effects is nice because it can reduce any noise they produce when you're not playing.

I like to have the wah at or near the beginning of the chain so I'm getting as pure a tone sweep as possible. That would be affected (quite literally) by putting the boost before it, which isn't what I'm after, but this is where the experimentation comes in. That may be just the ticket for you.

Leaving the delay after the wah means that, when both are engaged, the dynamics of the wah sweep are sampled and repeated. This is how I like it. If you put the delay ahead of (i.e., before) the wah, you have the ability to sweep the repeats, which is also cool. For example, you could pluck a note with the wah in toe-down (treble) position, then sweep the wah back to heel-down (bass) position and get a different tone on the delay's repeat. If you have the delay set for multiple repeats, you can affect all of them with this way, since the delay's repeats are feeding -- and therefore affected by -- the wah.

Mix and match, see what works. You don't have a ridiculous number of pedals, so it won't take months to exhaust the options and see what best suits your style.

- Keith
 
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Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

I can only speak for the Bad Bob.......YES, it will be heard :D
 
Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

For the moment, let's assume you're getting your overdrive from a pedal rather than your amp. If you place the boost before the overdrive, you're pushing the overdrive harder and should get more drive as a result. If you place the boost after the overdrive, you're boosting an already overdriven signal, so you should get more volume boost.

In short, you can use the booster to primarily increase either the drive or the volume.

Since the overdrive is coming from your amp, not a pedal, the de facto placement of your boost pedal is before the overdrive, which will serve to increase drive (or cause the amp to break up sooner, if not already breaking up). This is what guys like Clapton, Iommi and May did with a Rangemaster boost to get more drive.

These days, you can get a clean (FET) boost that will do more to focus on just bumping the volume of the amp. You'll still get an increase in drive, but there's less coloration when compared to a treble boost like the Rangemaster. I don't know much about the MXR or Duncan pedals, but I think the Bad Bob should do the volume boost you want when kicking into a solo. I use a Keeley Time Machine Boost, and one side of it is a clean FET boost capable of doing just what you had asked.

As for pedal order, most will tell you "There is no right way to set up your effects." However, there are places to start with effect order that make logical sense based on minimizing noise and maximizing utility and tonal control. Try this at first:

wah > boost > gate > delay

I'd keep the gate before the delay. Otherwise, you run into the possibility that the gate will clip off some of the delay's repeats if they're subtle enough. However, placing the gate after other effects is nice because it can reduce any noise they produce when you're not playing.

I like to have the wah at or near the beginning of the chain so I'm getting as pure a tone sweep as possible. That would be affected (quite literally) by putting the boost before it, which isn't what I'm after, but this is where the experimentation comes in. That may be just the ticket for you.

Leaving the delay after the wah means that, when both are engaged, the dynamics of the wah sweep are sampled and repeated. If you put the delay ahead of (i.e., before) the way, you have the ability to sweep the repeats. For example, you could pluck a note with the wah in toe-down (treble) position, then sweep the wah back to heel-down (bass) position and get a different tone on the delay's repeat. If you have the delay set for multiple repeats, you can affect all of them with this way, since the delay's repeats are feeding -- and therefore affected by -- the wah.

Mix and match, see what works. You don't have a ridiculous amount of pedals, so it won't take months to exhaust the options and see what works best for your style.

- Keith

Great post Keith!
 
Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

DOD Bifet is a great boost. The switch is a bit fragile like most DOD effects, but the sound/tone is very good along with the additional tone knob you can use to tone down any harshness the boost might cause or conversely add a little brightness to the signal if that is what is needed. It also does a perfectly flat boost if you dial the tone knob to the right spot. Lots of boost too BTW. More than I'll ever need.
 
Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

wow thanks alot guys, that cleared it all up!
 
Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

I have a SD Pickup Booster, it's a great pedal. If you wanna use it primarily as a volume boost, try running it through your effects loop. Doing this will increase the signal going to your power section. It may increase power tube gain somewhat, but I believe you'll dig it a lot.

As for effects order, run your delay, boost and Noise Gate through your effects loop, while running your wah into the front end of your amp. You'll really dig this setup!

BTW - if you'd like for your boost to add some gain, then you'll have to run it into the front end of your amp. This is how I run mine, for a gain boost for lead work. I run a Boss Super Overdrive as well, with my Marshalls setup for an almost AC/DC tone (pedal overdrive off). The Boss pedal gives me a good crunch (especially when cranked, it'll shake yer nads). I run the Pickup Booster AFTER the Super Overdrive pedal for the aforementioned gain boost. It also gives me a little more volume, as well as a presence boost to my tone. I run the knob on the booster almost all the way counter-clockwise. On this pedal, all the way down is still a +6dB gain boost, which is just enough to push my ultra-crunchy tone into lead paradise. Then, I'm running into a Gate pedal (an ISP Decimator) and finally into a Boss Super Chorus for a really nice, thick stereo spread. Mmm Mmm Good!
 
Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

As for effects order, run your delay, boost and Noise Gate through your effects loop, while running your wah into the front end of your amp. You'll really dig this setup!

+1 on this

I failed to notice the mentioning of an effects loop. Definitely put the delay in there. I've never tried putting a boost in there, but it's an interesting idea.

- Keith
 
Re: different boost pedal question...and effects lineup

cool, ive never reqlly played with the loop
 
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