Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

STRATDELUXER97

Stratoblaster Tone Meister
Hey Doc..What size tone caps do you settle on in your strat with the PG+ bridge pickup? I want to put this pickup back into one of my strats and I remember having to use a .056 cap to tame the highs down...It cuts great but it's also a bright pickup!

John
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

I remember you did not like the highs on that one. I am using a bumblebee, i.e. 0.033uf on that guitar.

Why not keep a regular value cap, but choose either of the following options:

1. wire it so that with a miniswitch you can run the signal through a 120K (it was not 170K no, whatever, somewhere ~150K) resistance for your 500K pot.

2. or use an a3 magnet! I guess that would be the ideal thing in your case.

B
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

dr.barlo said:
I remember you did not like the highs on that one. I am using a bumblebee, i.e. 0.033uf on that guitar.

Why not keep a regular value cap, but choose either of the following options:

1. wire it so that with a miniswitch you can run the signal through a 120K (it was not 170K no, whatever, somewhere ~150K) resistance for your 500K pot.

2. or use an a3 magnet! I guess that would be the ideal thing in your case.

B

Thanks again Doc...I Like the A5 and would prefer to try your other options...

John
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Sure John!

Tell me, is that PG+ gonna replace the hybrid?

B
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

dr.barlo said:
Sure John!

Tell me, is that PG+ gonna replace the hybrid?

B

Yes or I'll put an A5 magnet into the Hybrid? I Love the Hybrid in my Les Paul but the strat isn't cutting right and my ears are always changing...I Just feel I ned to go back to an A5 humbucker in the bridge of this one strat.

John
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Sure, you know how much I love a5's in PAF style bridge hb's, as long as they don't get thin.

B
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

dr.barlo said:
Sure, you know how much I love a5's in PAF style bridge hb's, as long as they don't get thin.

B

I Hear ya buddy and I'm 100% with ya also...Thin is definately not in.. :thumbsdow

John
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Not to butt in guys, but I have a question since you're talking about the PG+. I read on here a while back that it is simply a PGb pickup with the A5 magnet instead of the A2. Is that the case?

Farkus
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Yes.

It comes either on the bridge of some Fender models or in Fender Box if you buy it new. The only color is parchment (a little off-white).

B
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

dr.barlo said:
Yes.

It comes either on the bridge of some Fender models or in Fender Box if you buy it new. The only color is parchment (a little off-white).

B

Thanks Doc!

Looks like I'm gonna be buying a couple of A2 mags for this pup...heheh :headbang:

Oh yeah, I'm thinking of using this in the neck with a JB in the bridge position. Some formites are using the 59b in the neck to their liking, so I thought I might try this instead. What do you think?

Farkus
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Farkus,

You are welcome, glad I could help.

I am using a PGb in the neck in two of my guitars. I love a little hot neck PAF HB's somewhere like 8.0K. The tone is not that clear, but then again I am a big strat neck tone fan, and if I were to look for a clear neck tone, I would grab my strats! ;)

Either I am very unlucky (with epsilon probability) or the average K value of PGb's is not 8.50K. I bought sold traded lots of PGb's here, over a dozen. Kept the best 6 of them (which includes one with the highest K value PGb I have ever owned measuring 8.35K.) The other one I would never give up is a 8.00K pgb which I use in the neck together with that 8.35K bridge!

Another PGb I use in the neck (togther with my 14.40K CC) measures 8.15K. I have a3 magnets in both of these pickups, I guess that is due to the body wood of that guitar (mahogany).

So using PGb's in the neck, I think is a great option that many do not consider. If you want, duncan does not do a ~8.00K a2 PAF neck standard production. I don't know why. It is either a cool seth/pg/ant/a2p/... bridge, or a custom shop order!

B
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Doc,

Thanks for the info. Yeah, the PGn idea sounds pretty cool! I'm a HUGE strat fan...I've been modding them pretty much since I got my first one. It is so cool to be able to 'talk' with someone as passionate as I am about great tone; most of my guitar playing friends think that good tone involves buying a Matchless and it will do every great guitar tone on Earth, hehehe. I think I've found my bridge humbucker in the form of the Full Shred. Man, it is so tight, even under the heavy distortion. Now, I use a PGn with this pup b/c I like to back off and have sweet neck tone for the more...dynamic...parts of the music I play (progressive metal). However, I've come into a fresh Fender HM strat, all ready for me to mod! The 5 way switch is blown, and I'm going into full mod mode, all new CTS pots, orange drops, etc. It's a S-S-H and I'm thinking of moving my FS to the bridge of that axe and maybe using a lil 59 or HR in the neck it. That leaves my beloved ash strat without a bridge pup and I'd like to do something a little different with it. I've heard alot about the C-5. I'm thinking about getting one...but will it be able to do prog metal as well as bluesy-rock stuff? You seem to have alot of experience and I'd like your opinion on this one.

Thanks!

Farkus
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Farkus,

Here over time you would find many (and more) passionate people about their tone. I have tried some of the stuff available, and am talking about my humble opinion regarding those. And the other thing is that the guitars that I have used them in are different than yours. The most critical thing in a pickup search is to match the guitar with a specific pickup.

That said, your ash strat can accomodate C5 very well. The result would be alittle on the wild side, I would think. At least these were my findings. Alnico 5 magnet makes C's sound scooped, bass and high become pronounced and defined, and you would not have that much mids. I would say that it is not what I would try, because ash already has great definition and highs.

I love a5 PAFs but they always are running close to the ridge of being thin. Some were thus I had to let them go. But others that I have kept were of PAF with an a5 magnet. Particularly, my 8.75K PG+, 8.70K Antiquity Bridge with an a5, 8.40K Timbucker (2 of them), are not thin. So you might wanna try an antiquity with an a5 magnet. It is a winner, and one of the pickups that kept mentioned in any though comparison with the real deal PAFs. Think of Clapton's Beano tones, think of Pagey's tones.

But when it comes to SD custom's in bright guitars (especially those with a tremolo bridge) me thinks the result is unbearably thin, and too scooped. The bass becomes in your face, the highs relatively too focused, the uppermid scream sometimes gets annoying (well that particular issue was the reason why I let my Rio Grande BBQ go), virtually no lowermids! I love lowermids in a "gain" pickup. gotta have them, either from the wood or the pickup.

Now if you were to look for a C pikcup in an all korina or mahogany body guitar, I would right away say go ahead and try the C5. Yet in a bright guitar (I love bright wood, ash hardash walnut, maple) especially in one with great definition such as ash, the first pickup I would try would be a Custom Custom! GReat pickup, but it does not pretend to be a beefied (a5) PAF which c5 does (and I don't think it does a very good job to that regard. I know many forumites here do not agree with me on this). It is a throaty, solid and THICK tone. It is not that defined, so there it is different from c5 as well.

I was looking for a HB between c5 and c2 (=CC). Both had great aspects, but I wanted to form a convex combination of them. Well Alnico 3 magnet does that! SO what I mean to say is:

1. Try a CC
2. If you don't like it I would suggest you buy some magnets, an a5 and an a3, then (it is not difficult, shoot me a pm if necc I can walk you through it) do the mag swap. ;) You would be getting closer to what you exactly want.

Custom series are great pickups, very responsive to mag mods!

B
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

dr.barlo said:
Farkus,

Here over time you would find many (and more) passionate people about their tone. I have tried some of the stuff available, and am talking about my humble opinion regarding those. And the other thing is that the guitars that I have used them in are different than yours. The most critical thing in a pickup search is to match the guitar with a specific pickup.

That said, your ash strat can accomodate C5 very well. The result would be alittle on the wild side, I would think. At least these were my findings. Alnico 5 magnet makes C's sound scooped, bass and high become pronounced and defined, and you would not have that much mids. I would say that it is not what I would try, because ash already has great definition and highs.

I love a5 PAFs but they always are running close to the ridge of being thin. Some were thus I had to let them go. But others that I have kept were of PAF with an a5 magnet. Particularly, my 8.75K PG+, 8.70K Antiquity Bridge with an a5, 8.40K Timbucker (2 of them), are not thin. So you might wanna try an antiquity with an a5 magnet. It is a winner, and one of the pickups that kept mentioned in any though comparison with the real deal PAFs. Think of Clapton's Beano tones, think of Pagey's tones.

But when it comes to SD custom's in bright guitars (especially those with a tremolo bridge) me thinks the result is unbearably thin, and too scooped. The bass becomes in your face, the highs relatively too focused, the uppermid scream sometimes gets annoying (well that particular issue was the reason why I let my Rio Grande BBQ go), virtually no lowermids! I love lowermids in a "gain" pickup. gotta have them, either from the wood or the pickup.

Now if you were to look for a C pikcup in an all korina or mahogany body guitar, I would right away say go ahead and try the C5. Yet in a bright guitar (I love bright wood, ash hardash walnut, maple) especially in one with great definition such as ash, the first pickup I would try would be a Custom Custom! GReat pickup, but it does not pretend to be a beefied (a5) PAF which c5 does (and I don't think it does a very good job to that regard. I know many forumites here do not agree with me on this). It is a throaty, solid and THICK tone. It is not that defined, so there it is different from c5 as well.

I was looking for a HB between c5 and c2 (=CC). Both had great aspects, but I wanted to form a convex combination of them. Well Alnico 3 magnet does that! SO what I mean to say is:

1. Try a CC
2. If you don't like it I would suggest you buy some magnets, an a5 and an a3, then (it is not difficult, shoot me a pm if necc I can walk you through it) do the mag swap. ;) You would be getting closer to what you exactly want.

Custom series are great pickups, very responsive to mag mods!

B

Never expecting anything less from you Doc,great post buddy....Anyway...This tutorial might help the guy in need of the magnet swap info as it shows and explains how I do it...For me,a picture really tells the story.."Every Picture Tells A Story,Don't It" :arms:

http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/barmagswap.htm

John
 
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STRATDELUXER97 said:
Never expecting anything less from you Doc,great post buddy....Anyway...This tutorial might help the guy in need of the magnet swap info as it shows and explains how I do it...For me,a picture really tells the story.."Every Picture Tells A Story,Don't It" :arms:

http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/barmagswap.htm

John

Guys! Thanks so much for the info, I really appreciate it. Guess I'm going to go pickup/magnet shopping!!

Farkus
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Farkus said:
Guys! Thanks so much for the info, I really appreciate it. Guess I'm going to go pickup/magnet shopping!!

Farkus

You're welcome..feel free to contact myself or Doc Barlo etc..for any help you might need along the way..Great place to get help on this topic for sure!

John
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

Farkus said:
Guys! Thanks so much for the info, I really appreciate it. Guess I'm going to go pickup/magnet shopping!!

Farkus

You are welcome. Gald I could help.

John is one of the most knowledgeable guys here. He has great tutorials. Here is a story:

Some time ago, more than 8 months I think, I was trying to do a funky fat tele wiring. I have an ant neck in that hardash body maple neck tele. I love it, especially with a 500K CTS pot. But then the bridge (RG muy grande which is known to be a dark and fat tele lead pickup) gets really wild, really bright! I could adjust my tone on the amp, but this fat tele being my main gigging guitar made things worse, because I had to have quick tone adjustment abilities.

Then over on the telecaster forum somebody indicated that funky wiring scheme, I learnt about it by checking mrgearhead.com. It involved using a 120K or 270K resistance on the vol pot whenever the bridge pickup is active. At that time I did not know much about resistors and all. And what I saw did not make much sense.

Guess what, I searched the internet and what came up is a GREAT TUTORIAL done by our own John S. With pictures and all. After reading that and understanding what the ohm/amp values of the resistance should be, I could do it in 5 minutes, literally! :bigok:

:beerchug:

B
 
Re: Doc Barlo..PG+ Pickup Question? Stratocaster

dr.barlo said:
You are welcome. Gald I could help.

John is one of the most knowledgeable guys here. He has great tutorials. Here is a story:

Some time ago, more than 8 months I think, I was trying to do a funky fat tele wiring. I have an ant neck in that hardash body maple neck tele. I love it, especially with a 500K CTS pot. But then the bridge (RG muy grande which is known to be a dark and fat tele lead pickup) gets really wild, really bright! I could adjust my tone on the amp, but this fat tele being my main gigging guitar made things worse, because I had to have quick tone adjustment abilities.

Then over on the telecaster forum somebody indicated that funky wiring scheme, I learnt about it by checking mrgearhead.com. It involved using a 120K or 270K resistance on the vol pot whenever the bridge pickup is active. At that time I did not know much about resistors and all. And what I saw did not make much sense.

Guess what, I searched the internet and what came up is a GREAT TUTORIAL done by our own John S. With pictures and all. After reading that and understanding what the ohm/amp values of the resistance should be, I could do it in 5 minutes, literally! :bigok:

:beerchug:

B

Thanks Doc....As you know,I also have alot of respect and admiration for you...I think these are the right words? Well...You know where I'm coming from buddy...And I consider you very much,a friend overall.. :dance:

John
 
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