Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

[edi_87]

Does it? I wonder how much replacing my 4 Celestion G12T-75's with 2 Weber Blue Dogs and 2 Silver Bells (ceramic 50W both) would change my tone. Ted Weber claims that it'll greatly improve my cleans and smooth lead. I, on the other hand, am sceptic and don't belive tha it really will make a big difference... What do you think, please share your thoughts

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Going from 4 G12-75's to the mix set of Webers you mentioned will be a HUGE difference in tone...

 

[flank]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

i agree with christian. when i used to have my Hiwatt dr103 head, i got the chance to play it through a marshall 4x12 with g75 watters, and then into a Hiwatt 4x12 with Fanes......the amp sounded drastically different between the two cabs (even despite the hiwatt cab probably being better quality, i would think the majority of the difference was because of the speakers)

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Going from 4 G12-75's to the mix set of Webers you mentioned will be a HUGE difference in tone...

Yep...don't know if it'll be better or worse but the diff in tone will be HUGE!

Lew

 

[edi_87]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Yep...don't know if it'll be better or worse but the diff in tone will be HUGE!

Lew

Yea neither i do, but many people seem to like this combo, some describe it as close to Vintage 30 and G12-H30 combo.. Personaly im just looking for richier tone, better cutting through the mix, with great cleans..

 

[Kamanda~SD]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Huge man.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Yea neither i do, but many people seem to like this combo, some describe it as close to Vintage 30 and G12-H30 combo.. Personaly im just looking for richier tone, better cutting through the mix, with great cleans..

Then I'd go with Celestion Vintage 30's...four. Or a mix of two G12H30 and two Vintage 30. Lew

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

In order to get a cleaner tone you need a speaker with high efficiency and an inherantly clean tone, BTW.

 

[edi_87]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

In order to get a cleaner tone you need a speaker with high efficiency and an inherantly clean tone, BTW.

What does it mean Lew??

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

What does it mean Lew??

It means you want to choose speakers that are louder than the speakers you have now when driven with the same wattage. That means they are more efficient at turning wattage into sound. The Vintage 30 is a very efficient speaker. It's a great speaker for a small amp like Deluxe Reverb because the DR only puts out about 22 watts and gets farty at loud performance volumes. So using a more efficient speaker in an amp makes it louder and clearer. Lew

 

[That90'sGuy]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Yep. Speakers are HUGE. I wasn't completely happy with 2 Vintage 30s for my Bogner Shiva. I decided to change 1 out for a Classic Lead 80 and I couldn't be happier. It's more balanced, more powerful (it's 80w instead of 60w) which means the cleans stay cleaner at higher volumes than before (bass stays tighter than before) and it crunches nicely when overdriven.

The Vintage 30 is a nice speaker, but it has a lot of mids and treble response which is good for an amp that is dark or focused on low mids like Bogners, but can be too harsh and bright for others. The Triamp will not sound good with bright speakers.

I didn't like the Silver Bell/Blue Dog speakers with my Triamp. Do whatever you want with your money, but I'm telling you flat out, those speakers do not make the amp sound smooth.

 

[edi_87]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Lew, have you got experience with ceramic webers? I heard that silver bell is somewhere between vintage 30 and greenback, and blue dog is somewhere near alnico blue.. is that true?

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

I like some of Ted's 10's alot! I'm not as big a fan of his 12's. I like Celestions better. Ted's P12B or Blue Dog with the alnico magnet (not ceramic) sounds a bit like the Celestion Alnico Blue. The Celestion is brighter and livlier...the Weber version is warmer and has more "thumb" to the tone.

The ceramic version is compared to the Vintage 30 alot. But in truth the Vintage 30 has more transparency and "space" to the mids...a livlier tone. Ted used to call his alnico version the P12B and the ceramic version of the same speaker the C12B.

In any case, I do like the Celestions better.

Lew

 

[edi_87]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

I didn't like the Silver Bell/Blue Dog speakers with my Triamp. Do whatever you want with your money, but I'm telling you flat out, those speakers do not make the amp sound smooth.

Chris, I remember you being a huge fan of Dog/Bell combo some time ago..
But nevermind.. If not Dog/Bell than what do you advise me to put in 1960a to make my Triamp sing??? Have 4 G12T-75's the best solution would be changing only two of them.. I want better clean (richier, warm but cutting through the mix unlike the present one), nice bluesy OD and smooth lead..
Now, everything just sounds to flat and dry to me.. I need general enhancement in tone..

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Chris, I remember you being a huge fan of Dog/Bell combo some time ago..
But nevermind.. If not Dog/Bell than what do you advise me to put in 1960a to make my Triamp sing??? Have 4 G12T-75's the best solution would be changing only two of them.. I want better clean (richier, warm but cutting through the mix unlike the present one), nice bluesy OD and smooth lead..
Now, everything just sounds to flat and dry to me.. I need general enhancement in tone..

Really man: go for some Celestion Vintage 30's or G12H30's or a mix of two of each. Lew

 

[edi_87]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Really man: go for some Celestion Vintage 30's or G12H30's or a mix of two of each. Lew

Thanks Lew, you've been really helpful, I was thinking about this combo alot some time ago, then the weber's opinions and prices tempted me.. But I think I'll listen to your advice and go for 2 Celestion Vintage 30 2 G12H30 combo. A bit more money to save but at least I won't regret later.. Well, I hope so :laugh2:.. Thanks again
I just wonder how the combination works.. I mean both: Vintage 30's and G12H30's have lower wattage, and still they have better cleans than my 75 watters.. I think I got lost somewhere

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Yep. Speakers are HUGE. I wasn't completely happy with 2 Vintage 30s for my Bogner Shiva. I decided to change 1 out for a Classic Lead 80 and I couldn't be happier. It's more balanced, more powerful (it's 80w instead of 60w) which means the cleans stay cleaner at higher volumes than before (bass stays tighter than before) and it crunches nicely when overdriven.

The Vintage 30 is a nice speaker, but it has a lot of mids and treble response which is good for an amp that is dark or focused on low mids like Bogners, but can be too harsh and bright for others. The Triamp will not sound good with bright speakers.

I didn't like the Silver Bell/Blue Dog speakers with my Triamp. Do whatever you want with your money, but I'm telling you flat out, those speakers do not make the amp sound smooth.

The Classic 80 is a great choice for cleaner Celestion tones and has a little more of a neutral tone compared to the Vintage 30 or G12H30. Not as much crunchy honk.

I've owned all three. Personally, my fave is the G12H30, followed by the Vintage 30.

But I don't own a Triamp! Most of my experieince is with vintage Marshalls and Fenders and Matchless amps and those are the amps my recommendations would be based on...not modern high gain channel switching amps. I know very little about those!

Lew

 

[Kommerzbassist]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

hey edi, what Lew recommended is a really cool choice. Either the V30s alone ( I have 3 of em in my cab) or a mix with the G12Hs should be great.

 

[75lespaul]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

Definitely a GREAT choice. You may also want to get Avatar's version, the Hellatone. You should get them through Avatar as the celestion version, or the Hellatone which is just a celestion that they break in by playing music through it and relabel it a Hellatone 30 (G12H30) and Hellatone 60 (Vintage 30). If you're willing to bid, get them on ebay from Avatar. I've gotten them brand new as low as $60 shipped!

 

[OlinMusic]

Re: Does changing speakers make significant difference in tone???

G12H30 with V30, C90 with V30, and hmmmm any other thing with a V30 can be a nice way to smooth out and sweeten V30s.

Changing speakers can make things NIGHT AND DAY (almost)!