Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

Rich_S

HomeGrownToneBrewologist
Anybody who has an original 80's vintage JCM800 2203 (or 2204) head around - does it have a factory line out on it?

Here's why I'm asking - I dug up a CD I'd burned a while back of some demo tapes from back in the day. I've been listened to it several times.

Two bands are represented: one was my cover band in college, the other a short-lived original band from a few years later. I engineered the 4-track demo for the original act, and the sound is pretty good (even if I do say so myself). I was playing my Schecter PT through a 2203 1/4 stack, probably miked with an SM57.

The cover band went to some guy's studio in the basement of his parent's house, and I remember virtually nothing of the session. I know that I was playing the same guitar and amp, but can't imagine how studio-guy got such an incredibly awful tone on my guitar. It's fuzzy, fizzy, distorted with no good character at all. It sounds like a cheap fuzz box straight to the board. The only thing I can think of is he used a line out to the board instead of a mic, and then EQ'd it all wrong. But... I don't think the 2203 had a line out on it, so WTF?

Maybe he had channel attenuator wrong and was clipping the mixer input, but there' usually a little LED to say "Don't Do That" - even the biggest moron on earth should be able to avoid channel clipping.

A mystery indeed. I hope never to sound that bad again.

My original stuff in kinda cool, though. Sloppy, but cool. If I can find some free webspace, I'll post it sometime.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

I don't remember it having one. Looking at the schematics I have, I don't see a line out anywhere in the circuit.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

besides a line out shouldnt sound like you described unless you mangle it in your mixing and such (unless is doesnt have an emulated speaker, then i dunno) =D
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

I think the 2203 is the only JCM 800 head that does not have a direct out. I know the 2204 did (I've owned a few), as well as the 2205 and 2210.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

None of the 2204's I've owned (4 of them) nor the 2203 had factory line outs.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

That's what I thought, so I'm left wondering how studio-boy got me to sound SOOoooo bad.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

My 81 2204 does not have a line out. I am surprised that he managed to record a bad tone with the amp, because I would have to work really hard to get a bad tone out of mine. Killer tone is a whole lot easier to get :)
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

Bad tone is easy to get when recording. Bad mic placement, bad EQ'ing, bad room acoustics. It all factors in. It's much harder to get a good tone down on tape than not.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

I had a pretty easy time of it; witness the original band's songs, same rig, SM57, straight into a a Tascam 246 4-track cassette. If I got decent sound with little trouble, I don't know what he could have done that was so wrong, but man, it's bad.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

Do you suppose he was running into a load box without speaker emulation? Sometimes a line out can be used to fatten tracks when properly mixed and EQ'd with a mic.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

I had a 2204S, which was a special edition small box 50W head in green (another one of those, wow, I wish I had kept that one amps) and it did have a line out. I remember because I used it to record a scratch guitar track while we were recording drums. And yes, it was thin and fizzy, but it served it's purpose. If I had my Red Box then, I could have probably gotten a decent tone out of it.
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

Mine was a normal run-of-the-mill 2203 head.

Post 'em up. I'd like to take a listen.
Where's a good place to park stuff like this? I don't get nearly enough room from my ISP, and I don't MySpace (old fart, yes.)
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

Mine was a normal run-of-the-mill 2203 head.


Where's a good place to park stuff like this? I don't get nearly enough room from my ISP, and I don't MySpace (old fart, yes.)

Soundclick?
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

my 82 2204 has no line out...

i bet a huge difference in the sound of each recording is mic placement.... those 57's like to almost be on the speaker for some nicer lows and mids
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

[old fart] Soundclick? Ooh, new technology makes me nervous. It's all mice and screens and forms to fill out. Once they have my name, they'll steal everything in my bank account, I just know it. And how will I know when to put in the cassette? I don't know if I can set this up... maybe I can pay my 14 year old to do it.[/old fart]
 
Re: Does the JCM800 2203 have a line out?

Cool. I can't access Soundclick from work so I'll have to listen later on, might be over the weekend.
 
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