http://www.ebay.com/itm/Les-Paul-Custom-1961-Black-Bty-3-pickups-/161181771715?pt=Guitar&hash=item25872ea7c3
Things like this on ebay irk me...
Things like this on ebay irk me...
does this seem legit?
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Funkfingers
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Re: does this seem legit?
By definition, any 1961 Gibson Les Paul Custom electric guitar is SG shaped.
Old stock singlecut guitars may have been available to purchase but these would have been built several months earlier.
By definition, any 1961 Gibson Les Paul Custom electric guitar is SG shaped.
Old stock singlecut guitars may have been available to purchase but these would have been built several months earlier.
Re: does this seem legit?
Well, there have been many 61 Les Pauls that I've seen (on the net, not in person mind) so there's no doubt they exist. And of course serial numbers are done when they get toward the end of production and are in the paint shop. I'm sure there are a few 59's that are really 58's and so on. They are a very rare beast, so 130K is probably not out of the ballpark really.
Well, there have been many 61 Les Pauls that I've seen (on the net, not in person mind) so there's no doubt they exist. And of course serial numbers are done when they get toward the end of production and are in the paint shop. I'm sure there are a few 59's that are really 58's and so on. They are a very rare beast, so 130K is probably not out of the ballpark really.
Ashurbanipal
New member
Re: does this seem legit?
I'd also say it's legit. There are a few SGs with '60 serial numbers floating around, so there was something of an overlap in late '60/early '61. As some here would know, there are Explorers with early 60s serial numbers out there - guitars that were left-over husks after they bombed in '58/'59 and were custom ordered and thus 'completed' at a later date.
Still, this LP is overpriced in the current market. The triple pu Customs tend to be less desirable in general.
I'd also say it's legit. There are a few SGs with '60 serial numbers floating around, so there was something of an overlap in late '60/early '61. As some here would know, there are Explorers with early 60s serial numbers out there - guitars that were left-over husks after they bombed in '58/'59 and were custom ordered and thus 'completed' at a later date.
Still, this LP is overpriced in the current market. The triple pu Customs tend to be less desirable in general.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: does this seem legit?
I just sent him my credit card number, date of birth, social security number and my mother's maiden name. Now I will wait by the mailbox for the guitar.
I just sent him my credit card number, date of birth, social security number and my mother's maiden name. Now I will wait by the mailbox for the guitar.
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Re: does this seem legit?
I only send this info to Nigerian princes. If you can't trust a prince who can you trust???
I only send this info to Nigerian princes. If you can't trust a prince who can you trust???
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: does this seem legit?
He`s also offering local pickup only.... probably for exactly that reason, if you can afford to pay that much for a legit instrument, then you can probably also afford to go check it out first hand to make sure it`s legit.
He also hasn`t offered a single payment option which would be to his advantage instead of the buyer... Paypal disputes are very easily opened, credit card chargebacks are a standard procedure, and F2F payment.
If he`s trying to scam somebody, he`s doing a pretty bad job of it.... If I had 100k+ to burn, I just might check it out.
But this ingrained suspicion of people with low feedback is ironically, why most people miss out on excellent deals. A friend of mine ran into huge financial problems last year, and was forced to sell his beloved 1984 Testarossa, which is a 100k car in good shape, and it was. He set a very modest reserve of 50k and a starting bid of 1€. Questions came and were answered timely, everything the way you would expect a normal person to do business. Half of the mails that were received were from asshats that had nothing better than berate him for daring to attempt to sell ANYTHING on eBay with 0 Feedback, completely forgetting that to get above 0 feedback, you have to sell something first, and not everyone is a born-pro-internet user with accounts for every possible site already set up at birth... some people actually have lives outside of the internet :smack:
Net result? The highest bid was a super-lowball 15k, and there were only 4 bids in total, so the vehicle was sold the next day to a regional dealer for 65k, a gut-wrenching loss. and a near 100% profit margin for the dealer, who sold it to a swiss customer less than a week later for about 200k CFR.
But a nearly identical vehicle, in a worsely presented auction and in worse condition went for 89k literally just under an hour later. The seller had just had 250something feedback instead of 0, all other conditions were essentially identical.
In other words, the main problem isn`t 0 feedback sellers at all. It` preppy angst-driven buyers from Generation Entitlement who constantly assume that everybody is out to get them, even though all the cards are in their favor (or BECAUSE all the cards are in their favor... don`t know, don`t care.) . If eBay`s fees weren`t so exhorbitant, they would almost certainly be the reason I don`t sell there anymore instead.
He`s also offering local pickup only.... probably for exactly that reason, if you can afford to pay that much for a legit instrument, then you can probably also afford to go check it out first hand to make sure it`s legit.
He also hasn`t offered a single payment option which would be to his advantage instead of the buyer... Paypal disputes are very easily opened, credit card chargebacks are a standard procedure, and F2F payment.
If he`s trying to scam somebody, he`s doing a pretty bad job of it.... If I had 100k+ to burn, I just might check it out.
But this ingrained suspicion of people with low feedback is ironically, why most people miss out on excellent deals. A friend of mine ran into huge financial problems last year, and was forced to sell his beloved 1984 Testarossa, which is a 100k car in good shape, and it was. He set a very modest reserve of 50k and a starting bid of 1€. Questions came and were answered timely, everything the way you would expect a normal person to do business. Half of the mails that were received were from asshats that had nothing better than berate him for daring to attempt to sell ANYTHING on eBay with 0 Feedback, completely forgetting that to get above 0 feedback, you have to sell something first, and not everyone is a born-pro-internet user with accounts for every possible site already set up at birth... some people actually have lives outside of the internet :smack:
Net result? The highest bid was a super-lowball 15k, and there were only 4 bids in total, so the vehicle was sold the next day to a regional dealer for 65k, a gut-wrenching loss. and a near 100% profit margin for the dealer, who sold it to a swiss customer less than a week later for about 200k CFR.
But a nearly identical vehicle, in a worsely presented auction and in worse condition went for 89k literally just under an hour later. The seller had just had 250something feedback instead of 0, all other conditions were essentially identical.
In other words, the main problem isn`t 0 feedback sellers at all. It` preppy angst-driven buyers from Generation Entitlement who constantly assume that everybody is out to get them, even though all the cards are in their favor (or BECAUSE all the cards are in their favor... don`t know, don`t care.) . If eBay`s fees weren`t so exhorbitant, they would almost certainly be the reason I don`t sell there anymore instead.
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: does this seem legit?
Prince is from Nigeria? I thought he was from Minneapolis!?
Prince is from Nigeria? I thought he was from Minneapolis!?
Falloffthebonetone
New member
Re: does this seem legit?
If it IS legit it might be the last les paul ever made during it's initial run. They were discontinued for 8 years after early 61. Arguably the last of the "golden age" of les pauls. That could explain the price tag.
If it IS legit it might be the last les paul ever made during it's initial run. They were discontinued for 8 years after early 61. Arguably the last of the "golden age" of les pauls. That could explain the price tag.
Rockstar216
New member
Re: does this seem legit?
It would be so ironic if who ever decides to buy drops that 100k only to find out it plays like crap. Although I'm sure who ever buys this would be more for collection then an actual player. Me personally if I had the cash I would buy it then make a video of me smashing it then lighting it on fire then put it on every gear forum just to piss off all the vintage purist and become a instant internet legend.
It would be so ironic if who ever decides to buy drops that 100k only to find out it plays like crap. Although I'm sure who ever buys this would be more for collection then an actual player. Me personally if I had the cash I would buy it then make a video of me smashing it then lighting it on fire then put it on every gear forum just to piss off all the vintage purist and become a instant internet legend.
Re: does this seem legit?
If you wanna PLAY a custom, theres easier ways than chasing down an oddity somehow made collectible via being a previous year's surplus body that was finished late, and thus received a model year serial from a year in which it was supposed to be discontinued....and thats even if it IS collectible and worth 100x its price to anyone at all
On a separate note, wouldnt MOST guitars worth huge thousands over a similar item on account of collector value be practically unplayable as-is, and possibly even un-setup-able without serious work and possibly replacing parts?
Unless a collector just recently "rescued" it from a musician's arsenal or family handmedown sorta-heirloomy but still a player status, I just dont see many investor-collectors tweaking a truss rod or even adjusting the bridge much... For fear of losing tens of thousands in "value" for installation of non-original parts (or the horrid hassle of scoring an operable historically and chronologically accurate replacement that wouldnt stand out) on some nonsense like a stripped thread.
...thats why I'd never collect stuff like that. It discourages one from touching the damn thing. My flavour of "collectible" is famous japanese oldies. Cause theyre guitars not climate controlled wall art.
If you wanna PLAY a custom, theres easier ways than chasing down an oddity somehow made collectible via being a previous year's surplus body that was finished late, and thus received a model year serial from a year in which it was supposed to be discontinued....and thats even if it IS collectible and worth 100x its price to anyone at all
On a separate note, wouldnt MOST guitars worth huge thousands over a similar item on account of collector value be practically unplayable as-is, and possibly even un-setup-able without serious work and possibly replacing parts?
Unless a collector just recently "rescued" it from a musician's arsenal or family handmedown sorta-heirloomy but still a player status, I just dont see many investor-collectors tweaking a truss rod or even adjusting the bridge much... For fear of losing tens of thousands in "value" for installation of non-original parts (or the horrid hassle of scoring an operable historically and chronologically accurate replacement that wouldnt stand out) on some nonsense like a stripped thread.
...thats why I'd never collect stuff like that. It discourages one from touching the damn thing. My flavour of "collectible" is famous japanese oldies. Cause theyre guitars not climate controlled wall art.
The Dali
MeltedClockologist
Re: does this seem legit?
Agree, but the prudent way to handle this is to buy/sell a few smaller items first to establish credibility. The same could be said of this forum... guy has 5 posts and wants to sell his $3000 guitar... there is no credibility so many people ignore the posting.
He`s also offering local pickup only.... probably for exactly that reason, if you can afford to pay that much for a legit instrument, then you can probably also afford to go check it out first hand to make sure it`s legit.
He also hasn`t offered a single payment option which would be to his advantage instead of the buyer... Paypal disputes are very easily opened, credit card chargebacks are a standard procedure, and F2F payment.
If he`s trying to scam somebody, he`s doing a pretty bad job of it.... If I had 100k+ to burn, I just might check it out.
But this ingrained suspicion of people with low feedback is ironically, why most people miss out on excellent deals. A friend of mine ran into huge financial problems last year, and was forced to sell his beloved 1984 Testarossa, which is a 100k car in good shape, and it was. He set a very modest reserve of 50k and a starting bid of 1€. Questions came and were answered timely, everything the way you would expect a normal person to do business. Half of the mails that were received were from asshats that had nothing better than berate him for daring to attempt to sell ANYTHING on eBay with 0 Feedback, completely forgetting that to get above 0 feedback, you have to sell something first, and not everyone is a born-pro-internet user with accounts for every possible site already set up at birth... some people actually have lives outside of the internet :smack:
Net result? The highest bid was a super-lowball 15k, and there were only 4 bids in total, so the vehicle was sold the next day to a regional dealer for 65k, a gut-wrenching loss. and a near 100% profit margin for the dealer, who sold it to a swiss customer less than a week later for about 200k CFR.
But a nearly identical vehicle, in a worsely presented auction and in worse condition went for 89k literally just under an hour later. The seller had just had 250something feedback instead of 0, all other conditions were essentially identical.
In other words, the main problem isn`t 0 feedback sellers at all. It` preppy angst-driven buyers from Generation Entitlement who constantly assume that everybody is out to get them, even though all the cards are in their favor (or BECAUSE all the cards are in their favor... don`t know, don`t care.) . If eBay`s fees weren`t so exhorbitant, they would almost certainly be the reason I don`t sell there anymore instead.
Agree, but the prudent way to handle this is to buy/sell a few smaller items first to establish credibility. The same could be said of this forum... guy has 5 posts and wants to sell his $3000 guitar... there is no credibility so many people ignore the posting.
That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: does this seem legit?
Exactly.
People need to take into consideration the value of what they're selling and the appearances surrounding their auction. A 100k car being sold for half the price with no feedback? Instant scam perception.
I'm sorry Zerb, but your friend would have been better off selling it through someone who has established feedback and splitting some of the sales. To think anyone is going to take a gamble on a high priced item like that is laughable by anyone who values their income.
If you decide to sell vinyl or something, having no feedback is ok because you're not paying an arm and a leg if something falls through. It's risk assessment and in the world that we're living in where scams are so prevalent, it's natural to judge the intent behind an auction and draw red flags where they're applicable.
Exactly.
People need to take into consideration the value of what they're selling and the appearances surrounding their auction. A 100k car being sold for half the price with no feedback? Instant scam perception.
I'm sorry Zerb, but your friend would have been better off selling it through someone who has established feedback and splitting some of the sales. To think anyone is going to take a gamble on a high priced item like that is laughable by anyone who values their income.
If you decide to sell vinyl or something, having no feedback is ok because you're not paying an arm and a leg if something falls through. It's risk assessment and in the world that we're living in where scams are so prevalent, it's natural to judge the intent behind an auction and draw red flags where they're applicable.