Don't bid on this '59 Burst

JeffB

JeffB

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that can be found here.....

Oh sure most of us could never afford a '59.....

but this slimeball put up a sob story about his cancer ridden bro-in-law only to pass on a FAKE.

I saw the auction last night when it was at $202.50 or something and immediately knew it was a fake. There are about a gazillion things wrong with it.

Now the bids are up to $20K, and the guy is reaming all the LPF guys who obviously know it's bogus, know the seller, and apparently he's a little..err..nuts.

Looks like an edwards...LOL
 
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Horrible... he actually doesn't ever mention it to be original. So he may sell it as "what looks like" without getting legal repercussions, I suppose. Around here, we take people like that behind the sauna.
 
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I don't know the specs of the originals well enough to pick out a fake if I had to, but there was one part that brought on some instant skepticism:

The frets are in very good condition and are original
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A guitar with that much wear on the finish only gets that way through a lot of playing. That much playing, over 47 years, isn't going to leave the original fret in "very good condition."

And if one knew the true value of a '59 burst, would they he need to include the sob story in order to sell the guitar?
 
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that's the Edwards Jimmy Page Model!!!

OMG...THAT DUDE IS GONNA GET OVER $20,000 FOR IT!!!
 
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Thanks for the heads-up Jeff, but I don't really need another '59 Burst. Evan sent me a truckload when I became an admin.
 
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Hoss said:
that's the Edwards Jimmy Page Model!!!

OMG...THAT DUDE IS GONNA GET OVER $20,000 FOR IT!!!
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Hi,

... can never be, because the JP Relic doesn't have the fret-edge-binding and the "Gibbo" has got one ... :13:

... and the fretboard is in a horrible condition, IMO !! :smack:


Roger
 
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Hey JeffB, just to educate those of us who aren't that familiar with the great guitars that are Les Pauls, what is amiss with the one listed? I couldn't find anything, but then again, I'm hardly familiar with Gibson Les Pauls. The first thing I looked for was if the truss rod cover had 2 screws or 3, and it has the correct 2 screws. It DOES look like the Edwards JP model though. Could you enlighten me(us)? Thanks.
 
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i may cruise over to the LPF and see what they see wrong with it!?
 
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if it is from the guy from the gearpage that i think it is then it is legit
 
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The big red flag for me is the missing "Les Paul Model" logo on the headstock. Do those fade naturally?
 
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That's the crazy Gozilla freak! He's always got some weird deal going.
 
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I was reading about this over at the LPF. They were saying some things like the inlay material is not right, although the shape is. That the "wings" on the headstock are not the right shape, and that the neck material does not look right....in addition to what they call a horrible relic job.

The guys at the LPF may be a little uptight and snooty sometimes when it comes to Les Paul's, but they do know their stuff. Truth is there are a lot of little details one would need to know if $500 large were going to be droped on an instrument.

I have never seen a "Les Paul Model" sticker completely faded like the one in the auction. As for the relic job, who is to say. Maybe someone did really have an old 59' burst that got dragged down the gravel driveway by a kid, scarred with a screwdriver...hell, lit on fire. No one ever did that to a guitar...right?

Not all old guitars age gracefully and have only legit playwear and such. Some were abused, slammed in the trunk of a car with no case..whatever.

However, the one on ebay is most likely a fake.
 
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Grrrr..I had a biG list of tings typed out then my connection timed out...

anyhoo..real quick....first off the "appears to be" thing

1) Headstock totally wrong....back of neck wrong
2) Les Paul sig completely worn off? Serial number too?
3) PUP rings and selector ring not aged in color though dinged up (yet letters worn off selector ring)
4) Neck pup cover very aged/oxodized...but little to no "string shadow" ****
5) The whole thing looks like a bad relic job...look at all the cuts/scratches on the back of the headstock..thats not natural lacquer cracking.
6) Inlays look goofy..wider like a 70s LP
7) Pickguard on in one pic, not on in any others?
8) as mentioned..all that wear? yet frets are original and little wear?
9) odd shape in PUP selector area..check pic of it from backside..
10) Fade of the burst looks artificial...not to mention grade of maple top doesn't look right for a vintage 59.

**** Old nickel covers that have hardly been played will look like that..but this guitar if you go by it's appearance has been played to hell and back....it should have more discoloration/wear/string shadow..that cover looks like it was aged, then put in the guitar..not aged IN the guitar.
 
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That headstock looks way too skinny. Almost as skinny as those melody maker headstocks. And there's no serial number or "Made In USA" on the back on the headstock. :wrf:

The neck does look wrong and so do the pickup rings, the washer, and the pickguard. They all look to be pretty new.
 
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Well the guys on the LPF def know their poop more than I. Perhpas the inlays are the correct shape...but they def look "wrong"...too...thick...and figure looks wrong.

Should also mention..this guy posted absiolutely NO pics of the control cavities...no pics of the tenon..no picks of the dated pots, etc. He got in there to lok though apparently. If he's got a real deal 59 burst...and is selling it..he should know better than to NOT post those pics.

whole thing stinks like a big pile of crap.

TRC looks like it's placed low too (too close to the nut...all you historic guys go look at yours..not that R series are 100% accurate...but thats a pretty big hallmark of an original paul)
 
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His response to the LPF members' emails doesn't exactly inspire confidence either, does it....
 
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Not that the this alone would change the validity of the claim of this being an original, but the bridge pup is hung with philips head screws. Isn't slotted vintage correct? The neck pickup uses slotted...
 
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What srike me is What a guitar of that caliber(if real) is doing on Ebay.

Also the story of his brother in law:smack: He want people to feel sorry for him.
 
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