Double Hex Duncan Distortion

You may be mistaking what I said (as a company exec) about the Full Shred neck, in which I confirmed that the FS neck is not simply the Jazz with hex poles. It was its own unique wind.

But on the FS bridge, it’s been confirmed that it’s part of the Custom family. The point being, what I will always say is that the Full Shred is a testimonial to how much the magnetic circuit does change the sound of a pickup.
 
So Frank, in general terms, if you take a Distortion (bridge and neck) and went to dual hex in each, where do you end up?
 
You may be mistaking what I said (as a company exec) about the Full Shred neck, in which I confirmed that the FS neck is not simply the Jazz with hex poles. It was its own unique wind.

But on the FS bridge, it’s been confirmed that it’s part of the Custom family. The point being, what I will always say is that the Full Shred is a testimonial to how much the magnetic circuit does change the sound of a pickup.

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.
 
Tightens it up, somewhat similarly to when people chop the pole pieces flush with the bottom of the pickup. Also any time a magnetic circuit is symmetrical, it can be lower noise, due to the equal/opposite rejection.
 
You may be mistaking what I said (as a company exec) about the Full Shred neck, in which I confirmed that the FS neck is not simply the Jazz with hex poles. It was its own unique wind.

But on the FS bridge, it’s been confirmed that it’s part of the Custom family. The point being, what I will always say is that the Full Shred is a testimonial to how much the magnetic circuit does change the sound of a pickup.

I don't recall the FS neck discussion, but that's definitely interesting. Thank you for clarifying.

As for the FS bridge, I just remembered someone from SD (probably you based on your reply) speaking about it, but that was a long time ago. Glad you're still here to keep us on track!
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I think uncertainty about whether the FS bridge was *really* just a C5 with hex poles resurfaced when Scott Olson posted the output comparison on here 5-6 years ago (which Mincer recently re-posted as a sticky). That comparison suggested that the Full Shred bridge at 724 mV was much higher in output than the Custom 5 at 646 mV, leading some to suspect that they were indeed different winds. Plus, the FS bridge was listed at 14.6K vs 14.4K for the Custom 5 on the old Tone Chart (to be fair, the regular Custom was listed at 14.1K). Many of us assumed that the output difference was due to some sort of measurement error, but not everyone felt that way.

Now, if we could just get some clarification on the JB/Distortion/Invader situation, we'd be all set! :naughty:
 
I wish I could. There are only a few rare/obscure places where a former employee disclosed the information, until that changes I still consider it information Duncan can be responsible for.

Honestly I don’t see a downside from a marketing perspective either way. If they reveal they’re the same coils, it would prove that Seymour struck on a wind so amazing, so perfect over 40 years ago, that it became not 1, not 2, but 3 of the most iconic “boosted” pickup designs associated with a wide variety of players, playing styles, and tunings, perpetually, without any real era where either of them ever fell out of favor. On the contrary, if they say the winds are slightly tweaked between the 3 models, it shows that they experimented a little and came up with subtle tweaks to optimize each one.

Either way, I don’t think the marketplace is going to have a negative reaction to whichever answer is revealed. But on the con side, if you went looking for negatives, if they’re the same coils and the DIY community has some rogues who have flip flopped magnets between them and still heard differences, it points out how there are tolerance variations in wire-wound coils that are big enough to make you think one pickup is or isn’t the other, and vice versa. But that’s a normal, widely accepted notion already. There’s a 5-10% tolerance range in DCR for most production coils, so one made this Thursday can sound different from one made in 2014.

Anyway as more time passes, maybe some former employees without NDA’s will chime in, or Duncan will do a reveal. Until then I’ll just keep doing what I do, which is to just correct fallacies, provide general education, and make jokes.
 
This is why I always have to debate blanket statements without citing a source. People google this info all the time, and I don't want to have the forum be the source of mis-information.
 
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