EBMM 25th Anniversary/Reflex Thoughts

Luke Duke

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So, hopefully almost four weeks after receiving the guitar my honeymoon is close to being over….that said it doesn’t FEEL like it is.:) The guitar in question is a NOS Ernie Ball Music Man 25th Anniversary which later became the reflex. It has a chambered basswood body with a mahogany tone block, and quilted top, and a birdseye maple neck with a gunstock oil and wax finish….in other words, raw maple.

The guitar came with an interesting switching system of a 5 way blade and 2 way toggle. The 5 way makes for neck/screw coils/all four coils/slug coils/bridge positions. The 2 way toggle changes from series to parallel. The heart of the electronics is the EBMM/Dmz custom wound buckers that are the brainchild of EVH and Steve Blucher.

The guitar came in on a Thursday with a good set up after traveling from Salt Lake City to Arkansas. Strings were dead, so I restrung it and rocked out for two hours or so….then the next day I took it to a gig where it was used for two sets. Then 15 days later it went to another gig right after I floated the trem, AND had to adjust the truss rod about 5 hours before the show. I don’t know if it’s because there is no finish on the neck, or because the truss rod setup is just that good, but the tweaks were in full effect within minutes.
I used the guitar for 2 and a half sets. So far I am finding the parallel switch to be VERY useful. I can go from spanky classic rock tones to more grinding modern high output sounds with the flick of a switch. For example: I put the guitar on the bridge pickup in parallel to play some AC/DC and then throw it into series for Alice in Chains.

The really interesting thing about this guitar is where it sits in the mix and the overall tone. Between the pickups and the woods it gets a really thick sound when you want and a thinner janglier sound when you need it. The chambering, I think, is the part of the equation that makes the guitar sound so big, and the wood combinations make for how well the guitar sits in the mix.

I’m feeling very comfortable with this guitar, and although I wish for a little more neck girth I can do without it due to the shape. For the current 70s/80s bar band I’m in I really can’t foresee me leaving this guitar at home. That’s a really weird statement coming from a hardcore Gibson guy….specifically LPs and 335s.

If you’re reading this trying to figure out where exactly this guitar fits into the guitar universe I’ll try to explain it to you. Much like a PRS, Jackson, etc this guitar seeks to combine the best characteristics of Gibsons and Fenders. As with everything there are tweaks. The body of the 25th/Reflex is more of a stylized Tele than a stylized strat which gives you a couple of “oddball points”. The guitar has more Fender in its heritage though with the scale, neck joint, and bridge being very similar to Fenders. I think the presence of extra wood on the top bout contributes to the great sounding low end much like a LP or Tele compared to an SG or Strat.

As an aside, a lot of folks feel like the guitar bodies are too small. I disagree, they just seem compact. I’m a good sized guy at 6’1” and 225lb and the guitar doesn’t look much smaller on me than my LP, strat, tele, or PRS……it just looks smaller than my hollow bodies! I’m going to try to get a big piece of butcher paper and trace a couple of different guitar bodies on top of one another for comparison purposes.

So in closing, I’m definitely giving Sterling Ball my own personal thumbs up on this guitar. It has great craftsmanship and attention to detail coupled with useful electronics and (most important) a killer sound.
 
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I've always had a gripe with MM guitars over the fact the guitars felt like they're made for midgets, and I'm no midget. By that, I mean the necks are small and the bridge is almost at the end of the body. With the 25th Ann. and Reflex, they at least got the bridge right. And I can get used to small necks pretty easily.

So what I'm saying is.....I love the 25th Ann. and Reflex models because they seem like what MM should have been doing all along. It actually feels like a full scale guitar in my hands. And they play so nice, and sound great. I played the heck out of those models in stores for fun, and it made me rethink MusicMan. I really don't like their other models at all. Love their basses though.
 
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I sold all MMs I ever had because the string spacing at the nut is just too narrow for my playing.

The biggest joke is that they offer a model with wider nut, the Pettrucchi, but they cut the string slots so that you are back to the same spacing :)

Overall the whole MM company has a serious problem with top-down decision making, IMHO.
 
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EBMMs remain my favorite guitars. I play a Silhouette Special, which is like a really cut-down Strat. Every guitar I have played from them fits my body perfectly- but I am a pretty small guy.
 
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I've always had a gripe with MM guitars over the fact the guitars felt like they're made for midgets, and I'm no midget. By that, I mean the necks are small and the bridge is almost at the end of the body. With the 25th Ann. and Reflex, they at least got the bridge right. And I can get used to small necks pretty easily.

So what I'm saying is.....I love the 25th Ann. and Reflex models because they seem like what MM should have been doing all along. It actually feels like a full scale guitar in my hands. And they play so nice, and sound great. I played the heck out of those models in stores for fun, and it made me rethink MusicMan. I really don't like their other models at all. Love their basses though.

I'm with you Joe, I had the same reaction. The Axis is sooo cool, but the 10" radius wasn't my favorite. Somehow that little bit of fretboard flattening made it all work for me. The Silo would be great, but I only want 22 frets and I still run into the radius issue.

I sold all MMs I ever had because the string spacing at the nut is just too narrow for my playing.

The biggest joke is that they offer a model with wider nut, the Pettrucchi, but they cut the string slots so that you are back to the same spacing :)

Overall the whole MM company has a serious problem with top-down decision making, IMHO.

I don't think it's a decision making problem so much as Sterling saying "this is my ideal, if you don't like it (insert middle finger here).

I want a Reflex so badly. Dream guitar there.

Do it!! Get the third shift job and work it for a few months and get one ASAP!

Luke
 
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It's so strange to me that folks gripe about the 1 5/8 nut width...almost all your vintage and vintage reissue Fender have the same nut width and many of their standard production guitars as well...

0h well.

To me EB/MM guitars are easily some of the finest made bolt neck guitars being made today.
 
Re: EBMM 25th Anniversary/Reflex Thoughts

I sold all MMs I ever had because the string spacing at the nut is just too narrow for my playing.

The biggest joke is that they offer a model with wider nut, the Pettrucchi, but they cut the string slots so that you are back to the same spacing :)

Overall the whole MM company has a serious problem with top-down decision making, IMHO.

You might want to rethink that. Music Man makes its guitars to artists specs. Meaning, that if you buy a Morse, or a Petrucci or a Luke you're getting the exact same neck shape, the same string spacing, the same everything to what they are playing. The reason the Petrucci nut is cut the way it is, is because JP likes it that was, thus its built this way on his signature model.

This is why the necks on the Axis, Axis Super Sport and I believe Reflex as well feel so good. When EVH was endorsing MM back in the early 90's he had them scan his favourite neck at the time, which was his Kramer 5150. So the neck on an Axis, is the exact same shape as his old Kramer 5150 :-)
 
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You might want to rethink that. Music Man makes its guitars to artists specs. Meaning, that if you buy a Morse, or a Petrucci or a Luke you're getting the exact same neck shape, the same string spacing, the same everything to what they are playing. The reason the Petrucci nut is cut the way it is, is because JP likes it that was, thus its built this way on his signature model.

This is why the necks on the Axis, Axis Super Sport and I believe Reflex as well feel so good. When EVH was endorsing MM back in the early 90's he had them scan his favourite neck at the time, which was his Kramer 5150. So the neck on an Axis, is the exact same shape as his old Kramer 5150 :-)

I don't see how it matters to the average person if the guitar they're getting is built to an artist's specs. Just because X famous person likes it that way doesn't mean it's ideal for you.
 
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Three years ago I was dreaming of getting one, any Musicman. It always felt as if I would never be able to afford them given their EU costs!

Now I have two and I sold all 3 of my Charvels. I've only kept my Strat (my baby) but I'm still holding for an Al HH and Reflex.
I'm 5'9 and the nut width is perfect for my playing style (thumb over neck). The neck shape of the Axii is just perfect for me personally. I've not played my Strat in months...

Incredible guitars and the Reflex is so versatile! I only wish I could play one someday. Congrats dude.
 
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It's so strange to me that folks gripe about the 1 5/8 nut width...almost all your vintage and vintage reissue Fender have the same nut width and many of their standard production guitars as well...

0h well.

To me EB/MM guitars are easily some of the finest made bolt neck guitars being made today.

this. every LP I have owned was 1 5/8 at the nut, whats the big deal? I love the hell outa my 25th anniversary, just an outstanding guitar in every way. LukeDuke, glad to hear your diggin it, the tones you can get from this guitar are great.
 
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no pics = never happened

Yeah this thread sucks, cause I wanna see the EB but no pics.

Well I hate to brag but...............well not really! :fingersx:

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The neck in question...
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no figuring at all....can't believe I kept the ugly thing....

here's the plain ole hum-drum top....
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Nice review. I have my eye on either an Axis or an Axis SS at the moment but now the Reflex sounds more interesting.


Which LP is supposed to have 1-5/8"?

I think the ones from the '70s. My late '70s SG has a 1-9/16" nut width.

1-5/8" is fine for me and not a dealbreaker but it'll be great if the Axis was offered with a 1-11/16" neck option.
 
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Nice review. I have my eye on either an Axis or an Axis SS at the moment but now the Reflex sounds more interesting.

Both are great guitars, the Axis really got me thinking....the Reflex reeled me in.

Some people might not think the 5 extra sounds are worth anything, but I'm kinda like Blues Saraceno and think they give you a really cool palatte of possibilities. Also, though the "power" is reduced and the bass is cut down some the parallel tone makes for a tighter sound with palm muting.

I think the ones from the '70s. My late '70s SG has a 1-9/16" nut width.

1-5/8" is fine for me and not a dealbreaker but it'll be great if the Axis was offered with a 1-11/16" neck option.

Yeah, I think the 70s ones were all over the map.

Luke
 
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Both are great guitars, the Axis really got me thinking....the Reflex reeled me in.

Some people might not think the 5 extra sounds are worth anything, but I'm kinda like Blues Saraceno and think they give you a really cool palatte of possibilities. Also, though the "power" is reduced and the bass is cut down some the parallel tone makes for a tighter sound with palm muting.

I was dead set on the Axis at first but totally changed my mind after hearing and playing an older Axis Sport with the 5 way switch.

Now I'm leaning more towards the Axis SS because of the 5 way and the tone control but the Reflex sounds interesting. I'll have to play both the SS and the Reflex side to side when I put together the cash. It'll come down at which flavour sounds best for me (solid basswood vs chambered basswood w/mahogany).

BTW, that quilt top looks awesome!
 
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Yeah, that's one of the nicest MM's I've seen. The best body shape they've got IMO. Sweet guitar!
 
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I don't see how it matters to the average person if the guitar they're getting is built to an artist's specs. Just because X famous person likes it that way doesn't mean it's ideal for you.

That's the way EB/MM does things. If you're buying a signature model its exactly like the artists guitar. Besides, if I'm buying a signature model that an artist endorses and says he uses I'd like to have mine just like his, otherwise whats the point then?
 
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