Dr.Mavashi
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That's basically it, can it work, or is it a different type of signal ? Can I plug in my EFX loop out to pro-tool and capture my Laney tone ???
EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
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muttonchopsrule
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
it'll probably produce sound, but most likely won't be good sound. the output section of your amp, which you'd be bypassing, and the speakers, which you would also be bypassing, contribute to your overall guitar sound just as much as the guitar or the preamp section of your amp.
if you try it, try and get your hand on a speaker simulator of sorts.
or even better, since you've already got protools, snag an SM57 and throw it in front of your amp.
it'll probably produce sound, but most likely won't be good sound. the output section of your amp, which you'd be bypassing, and the speakers, which you would also be bypassing, contribute to your overall guitar sound just as much as the guitar or the preamp section of your amp.
if you try it, try and get your hand on a speaker simulator of sorts.
or even better, since you've already got protools, snag an SM57 and throw it in front of your amp.
Dr.Mavashi
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Well, Gillmore recorded his "Another Brick in the Wall" solo by pluging in straight in to the board. Engl tube-rack-preamp has a line out for precisely that, recording straight into the amp, my friend who has the pro-tools set up at home probobly has bunch of "virtual" speaker simulators, i am just worried that EFX loop out is different type of signal than "line out," what do you guys think ????
Well, Gillmore recorded his "Another Brick in the Wall" solo by pluging in straight in to the board. Engl tube-rack-preamp has a line out for precisely that, recording straight into the amp, my friend who has the pro-tools set up at home probobly has bunch of "virtual" speaker simulators, i am just worried that EFX loop out is different type of signal than "line out," what do you guys think ????
muttonchopsrule
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
i'm not positive if it'll be a line level signal or if it will still be instrument level at that point. i want to say line level, but either way, most digidesign interfaces let you connect line level and instrument level sources. so in theory, it should work.
the point i was trying to make with my previous post was that if you want to capture the tone of your amp that you hear out of the speakers, you're best off using a mic in front of your amp to get that tone. recording direct will work, and the results can be good or bad depending on what equipment you have. but the recorded tone you get will sound more like your amp's tone if you mic it.
my $.02.
i'm not positive if it'll be a line level signal or if it will still be instrument level at that point. i want to say line level, but either way, most digidesign interfaces let you connect line level and instrument level sources. so in theory, it should work.
the point i was trying to make with my previous post was that if you want to capture the tone of your amp that you hear out of the speakers, you're best off using a mic in front of your amp to get that tone. recording direct will work, and the results can be good or bad depending on what equipment you have. but the recorded tone you get will sound more like your amp's tone if you mic it.
my $.02.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
well yeah, but although it is a significant array of software, midifiles, condenser mikes, regular mikes, and a full protools set up, it is still in a house inside the burbs, I don't think I will have enough time to tweak my half stack before SWAT team goes through the door, that's why I am wondering about the whole EFX loop in to the board thing.
well yeah, but although it is a significant array of software, midifiles, condenser mikes, regular mikes, and a full protools set up, it is still in a house inside the burbs, I don't think I will have enough time to tweak my half stack before SWAT team goes through the door, that's why I am wondering about the whole EFX loop in to the board thing.
muttonchopsrule
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
gotcha.
there are plenty of ways to work around it when volume is in issue, be it recording direct, iso cabs, attenuators, or whatever. whatever you end up doing just depends on how serious the recording is.
i'd probably suggest trying to get your hands on a pod or a similar product for recording direct, however i've never heard what the raw output of an FX loop would sound like. by all means though, give it a shot. just remember to still have a speaker load connected to your head while it's on.
gotcha.
there are plenty of ways to work around it when volume is in issue, be it recording direct, iso cabs, attenuators, or whatever. whatever you end up doing just depends on how serious the recording is.
i'd probably suggest trying to get your hands on a pod or a similar product for recording direct, however i've never heard what the raw output of an FX loop would sound like. by all means though, give it a shot. just remember to still have a speaker load connected to your head while it's on.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Interesting, why ??? what would happen if I don't ???
Interesting, why ??? what would happen if I don't ???
muttonchopsrule
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
is your laney is a tube amp? if it is, then not having a speaker connected when the amp is on can potentially damage your amp or fry the output transformer.
is your laney is a tube amp? if it is, then not having a speaker connected when the amp is on can potentially damage your amp or fry the output transformer.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Yeah, its a 4 tube pre amp and 2 tube power amp, but why ? the signal will not get to the power stage, out of the pre-amp into the pro-tools. Thanks ahead.
Yeah, its a 4 tube pre amp and 2 tube power amp, but why ? the signal will not get to the power stage, out of the pre-amp into the pro-tools. Thanks ahead.
Gearjoneser
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
I think it would work best if you went from the FX loop out into a DI box, into the mixer. Honestly, I've never tried it, but I've thought about it.
The problem is that your power amp and speakers are still running. It'd be interesting to try this when recording, in addition to a mic'd cab.
I think it would work best if you went from the FX loop out into a DI box, into the mixer. Honestly, I've never tried it, but I've thought about it.
The problem is that your power amp and speakers are still running. It'd be interesting to try this when recording, in addition to a mic'd cab.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
What's a DI box ???
Mic'ing the cab is not gonna happen I think, that's why I came up with this idea.
Thanks.
What's a DI box ???
Mic'ing the cab is not gonna happen I think, that's why I came up with this idea.
Thanks.
Virtual Kevorkian
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Honestly, I have a hard time believing Gilmour would go with a direct tone ove a mic'd amp.
Honestly, I have a hard time believing Gilmour would go with a direct tone ove a mic'd amp.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Historical fact, black Les Paul into the mixing board, read it from several sources.
Historical fact, black Les Paul into the mixing board, read it from several sources.
Animal
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
I once tried recording directly from the "line out" jack of my Laney AOR into my mixer and then into my computer. The clean tone was good but the distortion was absolutely horrible. Jar of bees sound. Personally I think it's not really worth pursuing unless you use some sort of speaker emulation and then again, you'd probably get far better results from a digital modeller anyways. Using actual speakers to produce the sound is critical in just about any tube amp rig. They were never really designed to be used direct.
I once tried recording directly from the "line out" jack of my Laney AOR into my mixer and then into my computer. The clean tone was good but the distortion was absolutely horrible. Jar of bees sound. Personally I think it's not really worth pursuing unless you use some sort of speaker emulation and then again, you'd probably get far better results from a digital modeller anyways. Using actual speakers to produce the sound is critical in just about any tube amp rig. They were never really designed to be used direct.
marvar
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Although the signal will not be getting to the power tubes, the high voltage still will applied to them, when the voltage has no place to go, it sorta backs up, and puts an excessive load on the output transformer. Then your amp makes smoke, and then your looking at replacing the OT at the least.
If your amp was solid state, there wouldn't be a problem, as there is no OT.
Although the signal will not be getting to the power tubes, the high voltage still will applied to them, when the voltage has no place to go, it sorta backs up, and puts an excessive load on the output transformer. Then your amp makes smoke, and then your looking at replacing the OT at the least.
If your amp was solid state, there wouldn't be a problem, as there is no OT.
ErikH
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Let's all repeat the tube amp owner oath. If you don't know it, you will in a sec.
Place you hands over your crotch (you'll know why in a minute) and repeat after me ...
"I will not run my tube amp without a speaker load so help me because I may get kicked in the nuts."
Now, the reason for the hands on the crotch is obvious.
Let's all repeat the tube amp owner oath. If you don't know it, you will in a sec.
Place you hands over your crotch (you'll know why in a minute) and repeat after me ...
"I will not run my tube amp without a speaker load so help me because I may get kicked in the nuts."
Now, the reason for the hands on the crotch is obvious.
ErikH
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Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
A DI box takes your signal and transforms it in to a balanced signal for sending it to the mixing board.
One that works great with guitars is the Behringer Ultra-G DI box. What you can do is run speaker out (yes, speaker out) to the Ultra-G then to the mixer via a balanced XLR cable with up to -48db reduction. There is a built-in -8 db reduction and two -20db switches. There is also a 4x12 cab sim in it which you'll want on. You still need to hook up a cabinet since this is a tube amp and there is a direct-link jack for that purpose on the Utra-G. It is a direct signal feed from the input jack on the box. Also, since the speaker out is being utilized, the grown lift must be enabled. If you were using the box from a line out signal from the amp, then the ground lift could be disabled. They run less than $40.00 and run on a 9v battery or phantom power from the mixer.
A DI box takes your signal and transforms it in to a balanced signal for sending it to the mixing board.
One that works great with guitars is the Behringer Ultra-G DI box. What you can do is run speaker out (yes, speaker out) to the Ultra-G then to the mixer via a balanced XLR cable with up to -48db reduction. There is a built-in -8 db reduction and two -20db switches. There is also a 4x12 cab sim in it which you'll want on. You still need to hook up a cabinet since this is a tube amp and there is a direct-link jack for that purpose on the Utra-G. It is a direct signal feed from the input jack on the box. Also, since the speaker out is being utilized, the grown lift must be enabled. If you were using the box from a line out signal from the amp, then the ground lift could be disabled. They run less than $40.00 and run on a 9v battery or phantom power from the mixer.
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: EFXloop_out to the mix board ???
Thanks Bros for all the info. I don't endanger Jack Sparrow(name of my Laney AOR) so I just ran my practice Kustom 15 watt infront of a mic, with just John Spina TS9 between it and my Strat. Worked out great for scratch track. Kustoms a great practice trasistor boxes if you don't wanna spend on a tube combo.
Thanks Bros for all the info. I don't endanger Jack Sparrow(name of my Laney AOR) so I just ran my practice Kustom 15 watt infront of a mic, with just John Spina TS9 between it and my Strat. Worked out great for scratch track. Kustoms a great practice trasistor boxes if you don't wanna spend on a tube combo.
