Since it is tax time and all I'm planning on purchasing a new amp when my refund comes through. I already have a JVM so I have that awesome british overdrive sound already but I want something a little more american voiced.. Both the 6505 and the Vengeance sound great and many of my favorite bands play the 6505/5150 but I also like the extreme versatility of the Vengeance. I mainly play Metal, Metalcore, Post-Hardcore, and just your standard Hard rock music but I also like to tone it back occasionally to some blues or classic rock. Im also open to any other suggestions! Looking in the used market around 600-800 dollars mainly...
Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
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Gearjoneser
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
I'd go for the Vengeance over the 6505, since the Vengeance is about as close as you'll get to a Diezel in that price range. As a matter of fact, I like the tone and look of the Vengeance more than the more expensive Armageddon.
I have no use for a dedicated 'metal amp' beyond my Bogner XTC, but I came across a Vengeance for $500 that I almost bought just to flip. I probably should have grabbed it.
I'd go for the Vengeance over the 6505, since the Vengeance is about as close as you'll get to a Diezel in that price range. As a matter of fact, I like the tone and look of the Vengeance more than the more expensive Armageddon.
I have no use for a dedicated 'metal amp' beyond my Bogner XTC, but I came across a Vengeance for $500 that I almost bought just to flip. I probably should have grabbed it.
Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
I have been leaning towards the Vengeance myself.. Comparing it to a Diezel is a rather bold statement though
Can you really even compare something with a 2-3 grand price difference? Love the Bogner stuff though. Just a bit high for my tastes. My buddy has an Uberschall Twin Jet that sounds AMAZING.
I have been leaning towards the Vengeance myself.. Comparing it to a Diezel is a rather bold statement though
Can you really even compare something with a 2-3 grand price difference? Love the Bogner stuff though. Just a bit high for my tastes. My buddy has an Uberschall Twin Jet that sounds AMAZING.Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
Road king is way out of my price range, even used lol. And OD Red on the JVM just dont have the tightness or alot of american voiced amps. And tends to be over kill on gain on anything over 2 on the dial. I honestly play on green and orange (and orange is the same as red with 1 less gain stage) most of the time and thats it. Still a very british sounding amp all in all.
Road king is way out of my price range, even used lol. And OD Red on the JVM just dont have the tightness or alot of american voiced amps. And tends to be over kill on gain on anything over 2 on the dial. I honestly play on green and orange (and orange is the same as red with 1 less gain stage) most of the time and thats it. Still a very british sounding amp all in all.
Gearjoneser
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
Your Soldano Avenger is a pretty killer amp that falls into the same category we're talking about.
How do you like that amp, compared to some of your other nice heads?
And the reason I mentioned Diezel is because it seems that Bruce Egnater borrows ideas from companies. His Tweakers are somewhat Bogner inspired, while the Vengeance and Armageddon share a lot of similarities with Diezel. I even heard Reinhold Bogner make a comment to that effect at an amp show.
Your Soldano Avenger is a pretty killer amp that falls into the same category we're talking about.
How do you like that amp, compared to some of your other nice heads?
And the reason I mentioned Diezel is because it seems that Bruce Egnater borrows ideas from companies. His Tweakers are somewhat Bogner inspired, while the Vengeance and Armageddon share a lot of similarities with Diezel. I even heard Reinhold Bogner make a comment to that effect at an amp show.
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Van Noord
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
I would also look at a 50watt 5150 III
you think so? Really? I agree that red is over the top, I use orange with gain at 3-4 but the JVM is the tightest amp I've owned/played. Tighter that my 6505, Pittbull for sure as well as the other amps in my sig. American metal tones to me have big saggy lowend, that requires a boost to tighten, lots of low mids and absent treble. Maybe a used dual rec is more in your $ Range?
I would also look at a 50watt 5150 III
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
I also have my JVM 210s OD channel modded to be the OD1 channel on the 410 amps... So i lost a bit of tightness that way but the tone is MUCH nicer overall for my tastes.. Need to go in and put the bass cap on a switch so it will act as a tight switch of sorts... (I spend to much time on the JVM forums..) And i may get flamed for this... but honestly I have never been huge on Dual Rec tones... They have their place and all, just don't feel like the right tone for me. Plus I friggin HATE active EQ.. Had a Peavey XXX once.. That was a nightmare. lol
I'll be heading out of town to a Guitar center next week to try out a bunch of different amps so ill probably try all the 5150/6505 variants along with some Egnaters and whatever else may get recommended to me on here.
I also have my JVM 210s OD channel modded to be the OD1 channel on the 410 amps... So i lost a bit of tightness that way but the tone is MUCH nicer overall for my tastes.. Need to go in and put the bass cap on a switch so it will act as a tight switch of sorts... (I spend to much time on the JVM forums..) And i may get flamed for this... but honestly I have never been huge on Dual Rec tones... They have their place and all, just don't feel like the right tone for me. Plus I friggin HATE active EQ.. Had a Peavey XXX once.. That was a nightmare. lol
I'll be heading out of town to a Guitar center next week to try out a bunch of different amps so ill probably try all the 5150/6505 variants along with some Egnaters and whatever else may get recommended to me on here.
Gearjoneser
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
There's a guy in my city who's selling a JVM 205 with JVM forum mods for $800. I can't justify it, but it looks pretty maxed out and worth the $800. Too bad he punched holes all over the front!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/msg/4313215097.html
There's a guy in my city who's selling a JVM 205 with JVM forum mods for $800. I can't justify it, but it looks pretty maxed out and worth the $800. Too bad he punched holes all over the front!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/msg/4313215097.html
Van Noord
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
I totally understand your feeling towards Mesa amps. The controls can be a pain but they are technically passive not active. Even though they act and respond like they are active.
oh yeah if the mod dropped the gain than it probably also lost some compression so that makes sense.
I totally understand your feeling towards Mesa amps. The controls can be a pain but they are technically passive not active. Even though they act and respond like they are active.
Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
Didnt really so much drop gain (although i have done a gain reduction mod, and lower compression mod as well to really help open it some) but it did add bass, made the mids more prominent and pulled the highs out a little. Pretty much just made it sound like a Marshall. lol The way i have it setup now its an awesome hard Rock and older 80s metal machine.
Didnt really so much drop gain (although i have done a gain reduction mod, and lower compression mod as well to really help open it some) but it did add bass, made the mids more prominent and pulled the highs out a little. Pretty much just made it sound like a Marshall. lol The way i have it setup now its an awesome hard Rock and older 80s metal machine.
Lightstrings
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
Hmm. I see your gear. Well. I don't own a custom 5, but I hear they are a medium humbucker alnico, with subbed magnets from ceramic. I use a JB which is Alnico high output. I play it through a alder body, with maple top. I have alot of bright top end, which with Ebony gives me even more. Your other scheter has a Custom 8, which is even louder, more magnet strength, more brightness.
I've played the 6505+. Here is IMO the highlights. The crunch is really metal. It's better than you would imagine. I think you would like the tone. The Vengence has a tone but the only way I can describe it is the 6505+ distortion, big, crisp, modern, metal, and has ultra sustain. The vengence IMO has a crunch but I think in the long run it's more has character but lacks 6505+ overall strength in metal. There are alot of good metal demos online. You will find that the 6505+ is a powerhouse amp, and basically most of the best nu metal sounds, are coming from the Peavey 6505+.
Are the cleans on 6505+ any good. They're average at best. They ain't no Fender Twin Reverb 65 or Super Sonic 60 for that matter. But hey Fender combined 12AT7 in both. The 12AT7 is the magic ingredient.
If you want good cleans and you want to buy the 6505+ you can always buy the Boss Fender FRD-1 Twin Reverb 65 pedal, which is note for note the same as owning a 65 Twin
verb. You can get them on Ebay for $100 mint. Or a good multi effects that has JC120.
Highlights for Egnator Vengence. Cleans, cleans, cleans. The cleans are really amazing. But if you do metal, you might really be happier with 6505. Too many boosts on the Vengence for my taste. Boost pedal sure, on their amp. To me that says, not qaulity.
Hmm. I see your gear. Well. I don't own a custom 5, but I hear they are a medium humbucker alnico, with subbed magnets from ceramic. I use a JB which is Alnico high output. I play it through a alder body, with maple top. I have alot of bright top end, which with Ebony gives me even more. Your other scheter has a Custom 8, which is even louder, more magnet strength, more brightness.
I've played the 6505+. Here is IMO the highlights. The crunch is really metal. It's better than you would imagine. I think you would like the tone. The Vengence has a tone but the only way I can describe it is the 6505+ distortion, big, crisp, modern, metal, and has ultra sustain. The vengence IMO has a crunch but I think in the long run it's more has character but lacks 6505+ overall strength in metal. There are alot of good metal demos online. You will find that the 6505+ is a powerhouse amp, and basically most of the best nu metal sounds, are coming from the Peavey 6505+.
Are the cleans on 6505+ any good. They're average at best. They ain't no Fender Twin Reverb 65 or Super Sonic 60 for that matter. But hey Fender combined 12AT7 in both. The 12AT7 is the magic ingredient.
If you want good cleans and you want to buy the 6505+ you can always buy the Boss Fender FRD-1 Twin Reverb 65 pedal, which is note for note the same as owning a 65 Twin
verb. You can get them on Ebay for $100 mint. Or a good multi effects that has JC120.
Highlights for Egnator Vengence. Cleans, cleans, cleans. The cleans are really amazing. But if you do metal, you might really be happier with 6505. Too many boosts on the Vengence for my taste. Boost pedal sure, on their amp. To me that says, not qaulity.
Lightstrings
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Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
Oh. Not change subjects. But here is my short list of amazing metal amps.
1-Peavey 6505+ head
2-Peavey 6534+ for improved cleans, low noise
3-Engl Fireball 100. Best of both worlds. The cleans are sparlkly JC120 clean, the crunch and solos are amazing.
4-Engl Powerball 100
5-Engl Ironball 100
6-Mesa Boogie Dble Rectifier
7-Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier
8-Soldano SLO 100
Oh. Not change subjects. But here is my short list of amazing metal amps.
1-Peavey 6505+ head
2-Peavey 6534+ for improved cleans, low noise
3-Engl Fireball 100. Best of both worlds. The cleans are sparlkly JC120 clean, the crunch and solos are amazing.
4-Engl Powerball 100
5-Engl Ironball 100
6-Mesa Boogie Dble Rectifier
7-Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier
8-Soldano SLO 100
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Egnater Vengeance vs 6505
If anyone's interested, I've got a new unused Egnater Vengeance w/footswitch I'll let go for $600 plus shipping.
It's a great and versatile metal amp. Great distortion and outstanding clean channel.
It's also one of the few 100W+ amps that sounds great at bedroom level.
PM me if interested, and save hundreds on a pristine new amp head.
If anyone's interested, I've got a new unused Egnater Vengeance w/footswitch I'll let go for $600 plus shipping.
It's a great and versatile metal amp. Great distortion and outstanding clean channel.
It's also one of the few 100W+ amps that sounds great at bedroom level.
PM me if interested, and save hundreds on a pristine new amp head.
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