EMG single coil p'ups: an observation.

LtKojak

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Last month I've posted my fight against a Squier guitar, which I've built to be used on a recording project in September.



Well, I got involved in another recording project with some oldtimers I know, so it was the perfect occasion to have her "maiden voyage" in a studio. It was late '60s, early 70s Italian Pop music, so this guitar should be a good match for the project, with many arpeggios, double-stop melodies and obligato parts to play.

So, after three days and numerous takes, that's what I feel like to share with you, good people of the SDUGF.

An observation 'bout EMG p'ups which may apply to all other active single coil: due to the flat bar polepiece design, they work better with guitars with flatter radius, being 12" the absolute minimum, I'd say. As stated before, the Squier has a 9.5" radius, as most modern Fender designs.

In the studio I'm using a compressor, so the outcome is OK, but while you're playing, the difference of output between the weak and puny fourth string and the loud and obnoxious third string bugs me bunches; it takes a wholelotta concentration to pluck the strings in a way to minimize the issue, so the expression suffers.

I've used a Valley Arts Standard Pro loaded with a 89/SA/SA set in my busiest working days as a musician back in the '90s, and I don't remember having this issue but, looking at the specs, the neck had a 12" radius and I was using a compressor in many of the clean patches... plus maybe then I wasn't as picky as I am today?

The EMG S set I'm using doesn't sound "vintage-y" at all. Having said that, man, do they sound great on record! They have a tone of their own that's both full and sharp enough the be considered "clinical" or "sterile" by some, but boy, oh boy; once they're on record, they blend oh so well in the mix with the rest of the instruments conserving great note separation, in both chord- and arpeggio-work. I've completely forgotten how well this "lowly" set of p'ups performed on record with little to no post-EQ'ing. 80% of the biggest hits of '80s and 90s were recorded by guitars hosting EMG SA p'ups (Larry Carlton and Steve Lukather, fx), many of Country music biggest hits of the '80s and 90s were recorded with guitars hosting the set I'm using; the S set, also called the "Vince Gill" set.

Anyway, FWIW, there you have it. Consider yourself warned!
 
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I've used SAs under a 9.5" radius for years and years without trouble. And those Gilmour tones on Momentary Lapse, Division Bell and Pulse are SAs under a 7.25" radius!

The S is a bit harsh for me usually, but I can totally imagine them coming into their own in a dense mix.
 
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I've used SAs under a 9.5" radius for years and years without trouble. And those Gilmour tones on Momentary Lapse, Division Bell and Pulse are SAs under a 7.25" radius!

Well, Guilmour always had a very processed sound; I'm by no means surprised he didn't experienced anything similar.

I, for personal reasons, prefer to perform in "raw" form, with no effects at all, that's why I could hear that "unevenness", which bugged me for a while until I adapted; specially considering that my other single-coil guitar, a PRS SE EG with a custom, hand-made Zhangbucker set, don't have it at all.

Unfortunately, the not-so-up-to-code wiring of the building where we've recorded (not a pro recording studio, mind you), prevented me to use it. Anyway, I'm more than satisfied with the outcome, and so is the project leader.

The S is a bit harsh for me usually, but I can totally imagine them coming into their own in a dense mix.

Yeah, it totally does; I was pleasantly surprised with the outcome.
 
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Thanks for the insight, Pepe. I hate to ask this, but did you try tweaking the pickup height, to see if it could change things for better or worse?
 
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I have EMG SA's and the original Livewire II singles in the same guitar. The Livewire II's have a lot more single coil character, resonance and presence than the EMG's. The difference between the two isn't glaring, but it's there just the same.
 
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+1 sort of. Comparing EMG-H and -HA against Blackouts AS-1n, the Duncan sounds more convincingly "Fender".

I have the EMG-H in an Ibanez RG321MH via an EMG-SPC midrange boost. This is never going to sound like a vintage single coil-equiped guitar but it does do a bunch of things that I require and, like LtKojak says, it records very well and sits in a mix.
 
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FWIW, I kinda solved the "low fourth, loud third" issue:

I use a D'Addario XL-116 set, which is a 11-52 set with a plain .018 third.

I've replaced the plain third with a .021 wound third from a XL-115W set and the "issue" is not longer among us... :banana:

HTH,
 
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Thanks for the insight, Pepe. I hate to ask this, but did you try tweaking the pickup height, to see if it could change things for better or worse?

I've talked in another thread about the height "issue" with these kind of p'ups: the magnetic field they have is very small and weak, so to speak, so you CAN set'em up as close as the strings as you possibly can. However, doing so, they don't sound "single-coil-y" at all! This and the "quack" in positions #2 and #4 is completely height-dependent.

HTH,
 
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Color me a wee bit confused... on traditional strat pickups the tallest magnet is under the third string. My experience has been that emgs have a lot better D-to-G volume ratio than regular singles in that the overpoweringly loud G is the first thing I always noticed about them. Are you using a non-traditional stagger in the zhangbuckers?

Also, I much prefer the SA to the S. The S is a lot colder and 80s sounding. Or try ye some Wilde noisefree singles - they seem more direct (at least to me).
 
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I just wired up a Jackson with an 89R and 81tw to make it more versatile. on a 5 way super switch I get auto splitting and a good combined single coil tone in the middle. The singles do sound great, my only complaint is I wish the humbucking side of the 89 sounded more like the 60 than the 85. but in a Jackson with probably a 16" radius they sound very even. It can cover a lot of ground getting different sounds from metal to very clean.
 
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Are you using a non-traditional stagger in the zhangbuckers?

That's right. The 6th, 5th and 4th follow a 12" radius, the 3rd, 2nd and 1st a 15" radius... I think? The actual stagger was created by changing and setting the polepieces matching'em by ear.

HTH,
 
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That's right. The 6th, 5th and 4th follow a 12" radius, the 3rd, 2nd and 1st a 15" radius... I think? The actual stagger was created by changing and setting the polepieces matching'em by ear.

HTH,

Oooo, nice. I intend to do something similar at some point. I can't believe that Fender(or some major aftermarket company) hasn't updated the stagger to follow the change to an unwound G. It's only been a few decades, they'll get to it eventually, right?
 
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Oooo, nice. I intend to do something similar at some point. I can't believe that Fender(or some major aftermarket company) hasn't updated the stagger to follow the change to an unwound G. It's only been a few decades, they'll get to it eventually, right?

I wouldn't hold my breath... ;)

The problem is "tradition". Do you know how many times I'm asked 'bout my p'ups "don't look right"? Also, my set has three different polepiece spreads, so the rods align with the strigs a lot better, specially the neck p'up. I get asked 'bout this too, although a lot less. When I tell, most scratch their heads and say "Really"?

Your Honor, I rest my case! :banghead:

Talk to Zhang, aka David Plummer. http://www.zhangbucker.com/strat-singles.html Look for the "refin" set. Only my bridge p'up is a 5/2. Highly recommended feature, I may add!

You won't even need to get a second mortgage on your home to be able to afford'em! :cool2:
 
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I can't believe that Fender(or some major aftermarket company) hasn't updated the stagger to follow the change to an unwound G

I'd like to share my experience with a strat single coil.
I used for a while a flat polepieces GFS set in my ash strat with a 12" radius (the 70's, with grey bobbins). They always sounded 'odd' to my ears, not bad, just strange.
That was until a I made an experiment pushing up the magnet slightly to achieve a traditional staggering, with raised D and G and recessed B. Suddendly the guitar sounded right (!).
Then I tried to push down the G and, o-oh, wrong! It didn't feel right under my fingers.
I don't know if it was just an adaptation problem but I soon got back to the 'traditional' staggered position.
Weird, isn't it?

my 2 cents
 
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I've got this Ant I pickup that I really like as a middle in my RG, but that third sting with the high magnet just f-ing blows.
 
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Traditional is D is the same height as G. The G is louder because it's plain rather than wound. The D is the string that needs the most help so it would make more sense to lower the G a bit. All that said, the most balanced sound to my ear is flatpole, as counterintuitive as it may sound.
 
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The problem is "tradition". Do you know how many times I'm asked 'bout my p'ups "don't look right"? Also, my set has three different polepiece spreads, so the rods align with the strigs a lot better, specially the neck p'up. I get asked 'bout this too, although a lot less. When I tell, most scratch their heads and say "Really"?

Yeah, have to agree here – 'cos it's all about the looks, right? I see those cheapie Ibanez Gio guitars in HSS configuration with different pole spreads for the neck and middle single, but you look at a guitar like a Fender, and only the middle single has the correct spread :eyeroll:, and they call it some thing like a 'an exclusive vintage correct feature'. Well, in the end, as long as there's no loss in output for the outer strings, no big deal.

As for stagger, the earliest Strats had a different pattern, where the D pole was the highest and G was lower.
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The stock pickups on my Yamaha Pacifica have the D string poles high and the G string poles low (roughly level with the B.)
 
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