I can't deicide about that two tube amps. they're in familiar price range. i want versatility: good cleans, vintage blues, classic rock sounds, jazz fusion, and heavy / thrash metal sounds. one thing about engl makes me undecision, and that is that haven't power soak switch. But Carvin V3M has it: 50/22/7 output. Carvin came with G12 speaker, not V30. so i was thinking how it works for metal tones with original speaker? does anybody have that CARVIN V3M 50 Combo and how versatile it is? the only thing i don't like in ENGL SCREAMER is that it haven't got that ****ing usable power soak switch... and i am confused about how CARVIN V3M sounds for metal, with that original speaker in. these two amps is on my budget but mesa, marshalls are not. so i am little confused about it. i haven't got any tube amplifier yet... for now i got these two little, very versatile practice amps: Roland Cube 20 X and 40 XL. but the next will be ENGL or CARVIN. i am gonna use the tube amplifier on very small stages performing vintage blues/rock, jazz so for that area would be the CARVIN great. and i am gonna use it in the whole new band project, for sessions and more open stages. maybe the Carvin is what i need, but i am not sure if it can do metal well.. :scratchch
ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
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MojoMonster
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Re: ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
Carvin doesn't have power soak, per se, but simply removes power tubes from the circuit to reduce output.
That said, I've got the original V3 head into a V30 412 cab and there's pretty much nothing you can't do with it.
For metal just get a separate 412 cab voiced with the speakers you want.
I think the V3M combo would work really well for vintage blues/rock, jazz.
Add a 412 and possibly an OD and you could easily metal out.
Carvin doesn't have power soak, per se, but simply removes power tubes from the circuit to reduce output.
That said, I've got the original V3 head into a V30 412 cab and there's pretty much nothing you can't do with it.
For metal just get a separate 412 cab voiced with the speakers you want.
I think the V3M combo would work really well for vintage blues/rock, jazz.
Add a 412 and possibly an OD and you could easily metal out.
UberMetalDood
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Re: ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
You don't need a power soak for the Screamer. It's made to sound great at all volumes. I'd go with the Screamer.
You don't need a power soak for the Screamer. It's made to sound great at all volumes. I'd go with the Screamer.
Re: ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
Mojomonster: no, i will not use any cabs, instead i 'll buy combo. Can you suggest me some good hi gain pedal for heavy / thrash metal sounds that works good with that combo? is it possible to add that carvin option you write to an engl screamer ?
UberMetalDood: it's cool to hear that ! if it's really true... maybe i will get Screamer. i already heard good things about it. but this is really cool, if it's true.
Mojomonster: no, i will not use any cabs, instead i 'll buy combo. Can you suggest me some good hi gain pedal for heavy / thrash metal sounds that works good with that combo? is it possible to add that carvin option you write to an engl screamer ?
UberMetalDood: it's cool to hear that ! if it's really true... maybe i will get Screamer. i already heard good things about it. but this is really cool, if it's true.
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MojoMonster
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Re: ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
You'll be able to "do" metal with the combo.
It's just that it'll *sound* better with a 212 or 412 cabinet.
I'm not a fan of combos because I don't like being tied to one particular cabinet/speaker option.
If I were you, and this is just me right, I'd get the V3M head and a 112 cabinet with a Celestion V30 for the vintage blues/rock, jazz gigs.
And then I'd get a 212 or a 412 to do the metal bits.
I typically voice channel 2 in the V3 as the "high gain" channel and add a boost/od/eq when I need more tonal variation.
I'm not familiar with the Engl Screamer at all.
Oh sure.
You'll be able to "do" metal with the combo.
It's just that it'll *sound* better with a 212 or 412 cabinet.
I'm not a fan of combos because I don't like being tied to one particular cabinet/speaker option.
If I were you, and this is just me right, I'd get the V3M head and a 112 cabinet with a Celestion V30 for the vintage blues/rock, jazz gigs.
And then I'd get a 212 or a 412 to do the metal bits.
Eh, not really.
I typically voice channel 2 in the V3 as the "high gain" channel and add a boost/od/eq when I need more tonal variation.
Not sure what you mean, here.
I'm not familiar with the Engl Screamer at all.
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Re: ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
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Re: ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
I'm with Mojo on this one. The Carvin is a really good sounding and versatile amp with plenty of power. I would get the head version and add spkr cabs as you need. I really don't like being "stuck" with the spkrs in a combo. I don't like the weight of a combo. I don't like the vibration of the spkrs hitting the amp (tubes) so hard as in a combo.
Get a 1x12 cab with a warm but punchy spkr (like a Swamp Thang) for your rock/jazz/blues, then have a 2x12 or 4x12 with your bright spkrs for when you play metal. And you can also have the option to run both cabs together (providing you have selected the correct spkrs with the right impedences).
My choice = V3M head and spkr cabs.
I'm with Mojo on this one. The Carvin is a really good sounding and versatile amp with plenty of power. I would get the head version and add spkr cabs as you need. I really don't like being "stuck" with the spkrs in a combo. I don't like the weight of a combo. I don't like the vibration of the spkrs hitting the amp (tubes) so hard as in a combo.
Get a 1x12 cab with a warm but punchy spkr (like a Swamp Thang) for your rock/jazz/blues, then have a 2x12 or 4x12 with your bright spkrs for when you play metal. And you can also have the option to run both cabs together (providing you have selected the correct spkrs with the right impedences).
My choice = V3M head and spkr cabs.
rammer69
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Re: ENGL SCREAMER 50 vs CARVIN V3M 50 combos
I was on the waiting list for the V3M,(head) & couldn't hardly wait to recieve it, i am a gain/oholc ,Even tho i only have my V3 gain on 6 (50 watt mode) , i play classic rock ,molly hatchet, early hard rock ect, anyways ,i already had the V3 whan i rec the V3M , i sent V3M back , i didnt think it had the gain that its big bro had , & it seemed like i had to turn up the volume more on the V3M to get it to work right, it would have prob been ok if i never had the V3 to start with, i was only wanting it for easier portabilty, but i just purchased another V3 to leave at the drummers place & keep the 1st 1 @ home . i dont really think you are going to get really heavy sounds out of the V3M without pedals, BTW , i ran the V3M thru all of my diff speaker cabs i have from 1x12 --2x12 --4x12 celestions- WGS - EV , it just didn't do the trick for me, & i really wanted it to , not saying it wont for you , good luck,.. rammer
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