Epi. G400 '66 reissue

jhuntshell

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So, although I haven't been playing that long, but I've played a fair number of guitars. One is my friend's Jimmie Vaughan with three tex-mex pickups as it comes standard, and I absolutely love this guitar. It has a lot of what I imagine my ideal guitar sounding like, and overall I gotta say it beats my own guitar for my personal tastes, perhaps lacking in the distortion. It's not the perfect guitar, but it definitely impresses me, especially when I get on the sax and he starts playing his Vaughan, but also when he starts doing some really rocking solos while playing with his modern/hardrock band. I've played and know that I enjoy it and the way it compliments my style as well. Still, not perfect though.

What I have is an Epi. G400 '66 (obviously a less expensive guitar, so I know why I like the Jimmie Vaughan more). The neck pickup is just plain too muddy where the tex-mex excels, obviously due in part to the guitar itself, but in my opinion it is a changeable feature with some new pickups. Don't get me wrong, this guitar is amazing for some of the classic rock I love, but when I want to stretch it up high with distortion or great clarity, it shows its weaknesses.

My question to you is this: My guitar will never sound exactly like the Vaughan, but I would certainly like to send it in that direction with an upgraded set of pickups. I don't have the professional touch required (nor even know if it's possible) to shove three tex mex pickups and place them in there. Basically, how can I give my guitar more scream, and better tone differentiation at the neck, with a nice complimentary pickup at the bridge, without weakening my low-end too much like tex-mex's can do.


For your information, I like to listen to and play classic rock. Led Zeppelin is probably my favorite band of all time. I also like modern rockers along the lines of Stone Temple Pilots, SOME local post-hardcore, red hot chili peppers if only for flea...all the way to Pantera, Dimebag being one of my idols. I know I can't get greedy with the sounds I want out of one guitar, especially this one, but it would be great if I could get some quality pickups that won't lose the fat low tones. I also don't want to go 180 degrees and try to make my guitar something it's not, so something you think would compliment its good qualities, and put some shine on its current rough spots.

P.S.
I'd rather not pay someone else to do it, so pickups that already fit would be great, but if I need someone to hack a little at my beauty (hey I love the **** thing, even if it did only cost me 400 bucks) in the name of shredding, I will allow it. I'd also like to be getting some more quality distortion out of this baby, but nothing beyond some pretty mean rock.
 
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Sell it and get a strat.

OR

Throw some Phat Cats in there.
 
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you may like the setup i've got, as i like to play similar stuff;
in the neck, you might want to go with a phat cat with a5/a3, it's very single coil like in clarity, but still fat and meaty. great for bluesy stuff and leads. you can pile on distortion and it still keeps it's note definition perfectly. in the bridge, i've got a pearly gates. in stock trim, for an sg there's little to no low end to speak of with this pickup, but with an alnico8 magnet it rocks. very gutsy, lots of bite, and a good bit of low end without being woofy or muddy since it's still a paf wind. it also cleans up well. this magnet is great for metal-heavy distortion too, but still retains clarity under distortion. this is my main setup for my sg, and i use it for everything across the board, from ska to reggae to classic rock to modern metal to alternative to absolutely anything you can think of:naughty:
since i'm reccomending mag swaps...
it's actually pretty cost effective to do magnet swaps, since they're only about $5-$8 per magnet and swapping them yourself is real easy once you know the process:

how to swap mags:
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/barmagswap.htm

what each magnet sounds like:
http://wwwseymourduncan.com/forum/sh...ight=magnet+eq

where to get magnets:
http://shop.wymoreguitars.com/category.sc?categoryId=29

edit: both pickups i mentioned come stock with a2 magnets, and may sound dull since you already don't like your stock pickups.
 
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I just traded my Squier Jagmaster for the same guitar you have (cherry finish), and my neck pickup sounds amazing compared to the bridge.

Have you even adjusted the pickup's height and the pole pieces?
 
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What color is yours?

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Since this thread is about this guitar, I was wondering if an Alnico Pro II would be okay for C# tuning in the bridge? Somebody's selling one for $40 here. Either that or I have a DiMarzio Tone Zone lying around here somewhere...
 
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you may like the setup i've got, as i like to play similar stuff; in the neck, you might want to go with a phat cat with a5/a3, it's very single coil like in clarity, but still fat and meaty. great for bluesy stuff and leads. edit: both pickups i mentioned come stock with a2 magnets, and may sound dull since you already don't like your stock pickups.

+1. I'm another one who loves Zeppelin, and I have a '66 Epi SG myself. Good choice of guitar. Unlike the Jimmy Vaughn, which is a signature guitar with upgraded PU's, most Epi's (and almost all Chinese/Korean imports) have Asian-made PU's, which are usually muddy-sounding.

Like Super Rad Ska said, a neck Phat Cat with an A5/A3 is bright & chimey, especially in an SG. No mud or blurred tones. Very single-coilish. Clear as a bell. For a little fatter sound, an A5/A4 works well. If you want to go with a neck HB, a '59N or JazzN would give quality PAF-type tones with clarity.

For the bridge, a '59B would be very good (very similar to what Page uses), for gnice cleans and great overdrive. I have a 490T in my '66 SG with an A4 in it, which gives warm, full mids with enough treble to cut thru. You could put an A4 in a '59B too, to fatten it.
 
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Ok so instead of the Phat Cat what about the Gibson P94 in the neck? It already comes with the alnico V in it, and I am playing a Gibson remake (plus they look nicer). Would the tone be pretty close to what I'd get out of the Phat Cat with a A5 in it?

For the neck would it pair well with the '59B?
 
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Phat Cats are single coils with 2 magnets. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say NO the tone of a humbucker will not be close to a Phat Cat.
 
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Do you know what a P94 is? It's a humbucker-sized single coil P90 just like the Phat Cat...so...try again. As far as having two magnets..I'll research whether or no the gibson I'm talking about has one or two.
 
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No I don't know what a P94 is. No I won't try again. HAHA!
 
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I suggest GFS Dream 90's. Never tried phat cats, but I'm sure other people's suggestions of an a5/a3 phat cat would be good too.
 
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Do you know what a P94 is? It's a humbucker-sized single coil P90 just like the Phat Cat...so...try again. As far as having two magnets..I'll research whether or no the gibson I'm talking about has one or two.

Should have twin magnets, just as any P-90 & HB-sized P-90 should. Two A5's would make it bright, which shouldn't be a problem in the neck psoition, but if it is, just swap one of them for a warmer magnet.
 
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i say go with the phat cat just for the sake of the fact that if you swap magnets, it's somewhat pointless to get the gibson pickup which costs more.
 
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I'll have to defer to blueman335 for the phat cat stuff... he's got that pickup down. I need to try some one day.

For a bridge position humbucker, I haven't found anything I like more in an SG than a C5. The natural mids in an SG balance well with mild scoop of the C5. In my opinion the output is just right for being able to cover a lot of tonal ground. It also splits well.
 
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I'll have to defer to blueman335 for the phat cat stuff... he's got that pickup down. I need to try some one day.

For a bridge position humbucker, I haven't found anything I like more in an SG than a C5. The natural mids in an SG balance well with mild scoop of the C5. In my opinion the output is just right for being able to cover a lot of tonal ground. It also splits well.

+1. The C5 works very well in SG's (the C5/'59N is excellent). I like with two 250K's, for more prominent mids. I'm also very fond of a 498T with an A8 (500K's), or a 490T with an A4 (250K's). All of these have great crunch & midrange punch in a SG. Warm and powerful with bite.

Mike, you owe it to yourself to try a few Phat Cats. If nothing else, pop one in a neck HB slot. Gives you tones you can't get with any HB. I didn't like them at first, with the stock magnets, but man, once I started swapping mags, I've put them in a bunch of guitars now. Great PU. I don't think SD knows how versatile these are. There should be a whole line of them.
 
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+1. The C5 works very well in SG's (the C5/'59N is excellent). I like with two 250K's, for more prominent mids. I'm also very fond of a 498T with an A8 (500K's), or a 490T with an A4 (250K's). All of these have great crunch & midrange punch in a SG. Warm and powerful with bite.

Mike, you owe it to yourself to try a few Phat Cats. If nothing else, pop one in a neck HB slot. Gives you tones you can't get with any HB. I didn't like them at first, with the stock magnets, but man, once I started swapping mags, I've put them in a bunch of guitars now. Great PU. I don't think SD knows how versatile these are. There should be a whole line of them.

I'll tell you Blueman, You've got me seriously wanting to gat a neck version (with a few different magnets) to try in the neck slot of my not so much played ash tele. I think it would pair well with my lil 59 tele bridge.
 
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I'll tell you Blueman, You've got me seriously wanting to gat a neck version (with a few different magnets) to try in the neck slot of my not so much played ash tele. I think it would pair well with my lil 59 tele bridge.

Some neck HB's can be pretty dark & dull sounding, even muddy. A Phat Cat with an A5/A3 will open that up & give very sparkling, well defined tones. The neck position can really benefit from a single coil's clarity & treble. Try it.
 
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Some neck HB's can be pretty dark & dull sounding, even muddy. A Phat Cat with an A5/A3 will open that up & give very sparkling, well defined tones. The neck position can really benefit from a single coil's clarity & treble. Try it.

I had a aph2 in it for awile, and belive me, in this ash tele, I doubt an invader in the neck would be too dark! (its f-king bright!) even with 250k pots.
 
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