EQ changes distortion tone?

Closed Eye

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I remember reading this GuitarOne with the tab for Live's "Simple Creed" and the guy doing the notes before the tab says that a way to get the different kinds of distortions in the song w/out having a multi-amp setup is by using an EQ pedal. I don't want to really learn how to play "Simple Creed" but the claim he made intrigued me...

He claims an EQ can take you from Marshall type tones to crazy death metal type stuff and I was just wondering if this was true. Can EQ alter the distortion tone on an amp?
 
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Not sure if it'll go exactly as far as he said, but when I used to have a GE-7, I went from a marshall sound with my jackhammer on and then step on my GE-7 set to a slight scoop and it fizzed out the treble and it brought me into greenday's American Idiot album territory almost dead on. I was pretty surprised at the time. I think it can have a decent effect on the tone, but it wont bring you from an 800 marshall into Uberschall range by any means.
 
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Short answer: yes.

Long answer: It depends on your EQ pedal, and the amp it's plugged into. A good EQ can affect the way the amp distorts when driven hard, and can completely change the character of the amp. It's similar to switching pickups or changing guitars.

Most good tube amps respond well to EQ pedals. You can also experiment with putting the EQ in front of the input or inside the effects loop. One of the key differences between old Fender and Marshall amps is that the tone stack (bass, mid, treble, etc.) on a Fender is in the circuit before the preamp tubes, but on a Marshall it is after the preamp. So, for example, if you have a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and you want to Marshall it up a bit, try running your EQ pedal in the effects loop with a mid hump.

EQ pedals are one of the most underrated effects IMO.
 
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I use a Boss EQ infront of "my" Marshall to improve its tone a little.

I cut everything under 100hz, which makes the distortion alot cleaner and more open. I then boost the midrange a slight bit, which makes it more "roary" instead of twangy. I then adjust the treble to taste, to determine how much fuzz\sizzle i want, usually a little cut at 5khz.

:)
 
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while i certainly know that the general concept works, i have a question: Why not buy a distortion/overdrive pedal that has two seperate stages that act individually?(visual sound Jeckyl&Hyde for example)
 
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Well, Loserchief... i'm not answering this question for Closed Eye, but i'm very very happy with "my" (actually my uncles) amps distortion, and i can get two different and awesome distortion tones out of it with just clicking a pedal.

Pedal bypassed: Less gain on amp, more open, crunchy tone
Pedal on: Fatter sound with more gain, and less highs :)

Now i'm just rambling on, aint i? :D
 
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Dude! get A Behringer feedback destroyer/ PARAMETRIC eq. In parametric mode, you have 12 different filters utilizing the entire audio spectrum from 20 hz to 20 khz (huge range). Plus, you have total control over the gain (decibles of boost or cut) frequency and bandwidth ( how much that certain freq. will affect your tone). I have one and it vastly and DRASTICALLY changes my tone. You have total control of the lows, low-mids, mids, high-mids, and highs (harmonics). They are only about $100.00, sometimes cheaper and worth twice as much. I'ts like you have several amps to work with. Peace.:smokin: P.S. post it up in the effects loop after other effects.
 
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Erlend_G said:
Well, Loserchief... i'm not answering this question for Closed Eye, but i'm very very happy with "my" (actually my uncles) amps distortion, and i can get two different and awesome distortion tones out of it with just clicking a pedal.

Pedal bypassed: Less gain on amp, more open, crunchy tone
Pedal on: Fatter sound with more gain, and less highs :)

Now i'm just rambling on, aint i? :D


Exactly. I'm looking for another way to change up the amp's distortion without buying another distortion/OD pedal. MXR just re-released their blue 6-band EQ and I thought about picking that up, or maybe one of those 8-band DOD EQ's for cheap would work too, I dunno, but that's why I'm asking. I've got a Traynor YCV50Blue and wanted to up the bass frequencies for a more chugging, almost metal tone because my usual settings aren't really all that bassy. I'd possibly used it to scoop the mids too but I'm not certain as to how EQ pedals work.

I read elsewhere in an old GuitarWorld there are two commonly used EQ settings: "the frown" and "the smile". What's the difference between the "frown" and the "smile"?
Tom Morello sets his "flat" to cut through the mix, are there other advantages to a flat EQ?
How would you set an EQ to get more bass? or conversely more treble?
What are common "roar" settings like the ones you explained Erland?
 
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A flat EQ to cut through the mix? A flat EQ wouldn't change the tone at all. Unless he is using it just as a boost, then the flat EQ wouldn't sound any different than bypass mode. Re-read that article, I'm sure there's more to it than that.

The "frown" cranks up the mid range because the boost is in the middle of the curve. The "smile" cranks up the bass and treble becaus the boost is at the ends of the curve.
 
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Well... don't take my advice and opinions too seriously, but here it is ;).

If you're not too sure what an EQ pedal does, i can try to explain it to you.

An EQ, or Equalizer, was invented and designed to equalize the different frequencies of audio equipment, to give it a flat, reference sound. Nowadays, they are mostly used by musicians to change their tone, and for mixing recordings\production of music. Overall, to change the bass\mid\treble amount in the sound. A Graphic EQ, the type usually used for EQ pedals, has sliders, with each one amplifying or cutting (turning down) certain frequencies. So, if you turn up the "100hz" slider, you'll get an increase in volume at the 100 hertz frequency, which is in the bass area. If you are familiar with the "sound" of different frequencies, it shouldn't be a problem to adjust an EQ. Bass is from 0 to 200hz, mids are from 200hz to 1.5khz, and then there is "presence" and over that, treble. Though, different people can put different frequency bands into different categories, so don't trust me completely on this.

About the EQ settings: I believe it's the "crown" and the "smile".

The "Crown" i believe is cutting the frequency bands on the left and right (bass and treble) and boosting the mids, therefore the bands look like a "crown". This will fatten up and focus your tone alot, and is very good if you want to distort a "clean" amp like a fender, or another bright amp with little gain. Though, it will make your amp sound muffled if it's already high gain, or just middy. One thing i always do, when using an EQ pedal infront of my amp, is cutting everything under 100hz. This will not really kill the bass in your tone, but it will remove alot of "mud" and "fart" from your cab. The "lows" people hear from an amp, is usually low mids, around 200-400hz. So don't worry!

The "Smile" or "smiley face" is boosting bass and treble, and cutting mids. The freq bands then look like a smiley mouth. I'm not a fan of this particular way of EQ'ing, since it's the same kind of EQ'ing that nu-metal bands use, no mids, and tons of bass and treble. Though, everything can be good, if usen wisely and sparingly!

Again, the use of an EQ all cooks down to personal preference, so just play with it and see how accenting different frequency bands affects your tone. In general, when using a EQ infront of the amp, adding low mids will make your sound fatter and more "roar-y", mid-mids (if there is such a word) will give you more of a honky, aggressive sound, and high mids will make you cut better. Everything with moderation!

I have a Boss GEB-7 equalizer, which is designed for bass. Though, i find it almost perfect for guitar uses too, except for that it has too little bands between 800hz and 4.5khz, NONE! :D. It's a reliable, sturdy pedal, which i use alot. Compared to the GE-7 (guitar eq) it has more bands in the mid\low mid area, which is good for shaping the fundamental tone of a bass or guitar, but it has less bands in the high mids\treble, which may dissapoint if you want to boost the high mids or presence. I'm gonna buy a Boss Guitar EQ as soon as i find one used too, then i'll have a mighty fine pair of EQ's.

Sorry if this post is too long, i just tried to mention everything that you maybe needed to know. And for the last time, everything in this post is just IMO\Personal experiences.

Cheers! :)
-Erlend
 
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EQ's are nice devices, but they can filter your sound too much if one is not careful.
And they add noise, no way around that.
Using an eq well takes alot of practise, normal slider eq's just boost the frequency that they are assigend to, a parametric can get alot more extreme but can be very difficult to use at best;)
 
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I think I may possibly be picking one up. I let you know how it turns out. Thanks guys!
 
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Danglin' Fury said:
Dude! get A Behringer feedback destroyer/ PARAMETRIC eq. In parametric mode, you have 12 different filters utilizing the entire audio spectrum from 20 hz to 20 khz (huge range). Plus, you have total control over the gain (decibles of boost or cut) frequency and bandwidth ( how much that certain freq. will affect your tone). I have one and it vastly and DRASTICALLY changes my tone. You have total control of the lows, low-mids, mids, high-mids, and highs (harmonics). They are only about $100.00, sometimes cheaper and worth twice as much. I'ts like you have several amps to work with. Peace.:smokin: P.S. post it up in the effects loop after other effects.

I can't find that on the Behringer site... what's the model? Seems like a really cool EQ.
 
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