ESP / Edwards & Burny's Les Pauls?

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nedcronin

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I have been shopping around for something new. I tried a few Les Paul standards. Not really impressing me at all. In fact this is why I bought my ESP Eclipse. About 4 years ago I went shopping for a LP, with a budget of less than 2000 USD. I tried a bunch and nothing spoke to me except historics. I tried an ESP Eclipse and before I even plugged it in, well I knew it was a keeper, even though I had to change out the EMG's & electronics with passive pickups.
In any event, I want a LP style guitar and I'm thinking about the gorgeous Edwards & Burny guitars available from Ebay. These are new guitars, priced right with a hard case & delivered to the US anywhere from 100 - 1500 usd. Do any of you guys have one of these? I'd love any feedback I can get. I never ever thought I would buy a guitar off the web. But I can't get one of these anywhere else but Ebay. What do you guys think?

Here's a link to what I am talking about...http://www.ebay.com/itm/271127382591
 
Re: ESP / Edwards & Burny's Les Pauls?

I wouldn't mind a burny super grade or a early 80s tokai love rock!
 
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Edwards makes great guitars!

That being said, you might want to check out some of the 2012 Les Pauls that are being blown out for the same money. You might find one you like, and you will get a chance to play it first.
 
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Try some of the Gibson LP Traditional line. They are basically what *used* to be the Standards - these days Standards are bastardized with all sorts of strange "improvements". The Traditionals may give you that classic LP feel that you were missing.
 
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If you like those, you'll also like the JDM Epis, Orvilles, or Elitists (the USA import versions of the JDM Epis). They are all the same build, just with different names (and in the case of the Elitists, a different headstock). With new pickups, pots, and switch, these are better than what Gibson is making now, and at about half the price.
 
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There's one of these for sale locally, and I want it SO ****ING BAD. Someone needs to buy my strat so I can afford this thing already.

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Edwards are nicely put together. But Tokais are far better replicas of the real deal. The edwards top carve, body size, binding, are not correct, and the finishes are too thick (especially the lacquer taste versions). Tokai finish is much thinner poly, or lacquer, has correct binding, body size and top carve. IME they are a better Les Paul than the Edwards are.
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys. Both sellers got back to me and I think I may buy one of these. The two guilts I am thinking of are both pretty nice. The Edwards is made in Japan, has SD pickups, and looks like a beautiful piece. The Burny is a couple hundred cheaper and also has free shipping, so all in all it will end up about 3-400 bucks cheaper. Looks nice as well, but I suppose I would maybe need to get new pups & electronics in that and they'll probably end up pretty close in price. I'll keep you posted if I pull the trigger. I'm going to play a few more trad LP's too. Maybe I'll find one I like.
 
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JeffB said:
Edwards are nicely put together. But Tokais are far better replicas of the real deal. The edwards top carve, body size, binding, are not correct, and the finishes are too thick (especially the lacquer taste versions). Tokai finish is much thinner poly, or lacquer, has correct binding, body size and top carve. IME they are a better Les Paul than the Edwards are.
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The Edwards "incorrect" binding is much better than Gibson's "correct" binding.
 
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JeffB said:
Please explain.
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Gibson cuts the ends of the frets off when they put on the binding. Therefore, the binding becomes the ends of the frets. They do such a bad job of it these days that there quite often is a gap remaining between the fret and the binding which catches the high E string. Edwards and Epi and others have the fret going the full width of the fretboard (including binding)...no gap and full usefullness of the fret (for bending, etc).
 
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Love my dean deceiver. Sounds like an lp, but its light and hangs like a strat.
 
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GuitarDoc said:
Gibson cuts the ends of the frets off when they put on the binding. Therefore, the binding becomes the ends of the frets. They do such a bad job of it these days that there quite often is a gap remaining between the fret and the binding which catches the high E string. Edwards and Epi and others have the fret going the full width of the fretboard (including binding)...no gap and full usefullness of the fret (for bending, etc).
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+1 on that - it was a right old PITA on my SG
 
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GuitarDoc said:
Gibson cuts the ends of the frets off when they put on the binding. Therefore, the binding becomes the ends of the frets. They do such a bad job of it these days that there quite often is a gap remaining between the fret and the binding which catches the high E string. Edwards and Epi and others have the fret going the full width of the fretboard (including binding)...no gap and full usefullness of the fret (for bending, etc).
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I was speaking of the body binding, not the fret nibs.
 
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I have an 80s Burny and its Brootal!! about the best LP Ive ever played! Thick finish tho.. I also had an Edwards John Sykes model and LOVED it! would buy another in a heartbeat!
 
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Current Burny and Edwards will be Korean or Chinese made. Edwards has some portion in Japan, but it may well just be the final inspection and setup. In terms of sound, the Edwards seem to sound ok from the samples I've heard, and I've not heard anything about Burny.

Wood wise they are both OK, but the source for the Mahogany is unknown.....let face it some of the Epiphones say mahogany body when clearly they are nothing of the sort - the G400 for example.

Interesting that your ESP did it for you and no Gibson LP's did......quite frankly I don't think a typical Les Paul is what you want. The ESP certainly doesn't pretend to be a LP in anything other than basic shape.
 
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Ahhh.

I am a huge fan of these Japanese LP like guitars (they aren't copies, most have a different headplate and are legal).

The cannonical forum to find out about them is mylespaul.com

A couple notes: some junk is being made under these brand names. My rule of thumb generally is if it has an ABR-1 bridge it's a quality piece. If it has Nashville and it is not metric it depends. Metric Nashville and the larger pickup rings indicate generic Asian country make. The Burny brand in particular is now slammed on Korean makes.

Ewards is not made in Japan and IIRC never was. They are woodworked and painted in China and assembled in Japan. Good guitars, but something to be aware of.

The higher quality models are a bit nicer. In the Greco world anything named 700 or higher is desirable.

For me, Burny LP worked out better than Greco. Tokai is the most famous and I suspect they are a bit overpriced because of it.


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Left to right:
- a Greco Mint Collection I just sold
- a probably 1990 Burny LP Custom (with Phat Staples)
- my #1, a 1983 Burny Super Grade
- a Greco EG-1000C
- a Chinese made cheaper LP alike
 
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nedcronin said:
Thanks for the feedback guys. Both sellers got back to me and I think I may buy one of these. The two guilts I am thinking of are both pretty nice. The Edwards is made in Japan, has SD pickups, and looks like a beautiful piece. The Burny is a couple hundred cheaper and also has free shipping, so all in all it will end up about 3-400 bucks cheaper. Looks nice as well, but I suppose I would maybe need to get new pups & electronics in that and they'll probably end up pretty close in price. I'll keep you posted if I pull the trigger. I'm going to play a few more trad LP's too. Maybe I'll find one I like.
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What Burny are you talking about?
 
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GuitarDoc said:
Gibson cuts the ends of the frets off when they put on the binding. Therefore, the binding becomes the ends of the frets. They do such a bad job of it these days that there quite often is a gap remaining between the fret and the binding which catches the high E string. Edwards and Epi and others have the fret going the full width of the fretboard (including binding)...no gap and full usefullness of the fret (for bending, etc).
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This was my biggest problem with the Gibson I recently bought. It is not enough of a problem to return it, but it does get frustrating every once in a while.
 
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