EVH D tuna, questions

[Alter]

Hello,

I have a few questions about the D Tuna, hope someone can help me

The first one is that I wanna confirm that, as soon as I'm tuned in the standard E tuning (D tuna not activated), my bridge can be floating without any problem and guitar getting out of tune
(if yes, I think I will associate it with some tremol-no or blackbox to block the tremolo when I'm in drop d mode)

The second is I want to confirm that it fits my future BC Rich NT Beast without any problem, and the D Tuna will not touch the body when I'll play the tremolo both sides in floating position

Thanks in advance

 

[waltschwarzkopf]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

I believe the D-tuna is designed for a Floyd Rose Special or aka “EVH”. Which one does you guitar have?

Also, I’m pretty sure that all EVH guitars are non-floating. Meaning that the FR dives to lower pitch, put does not pull back to rise it.


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[PFDarkside]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

When the D-Tuna is in, you can float the tremolo. To pull it out to Drop D, you must stabilize the trem or tuning will be off.

If your floating Floyd is top mounted with a little float you'll be ok. If you have a recessed one with a cavity behind the bridge, you'd need to extend the cavity so the D-Tuna doesn't hit the body.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

Thanks guys for your help !

Actually, as I don't have the guitar yet, I don't know exactly which floyd is mounted in ?

Anyone does know the BC Rich NT Beast and could tell me more ?

Or, better, here's a picture : http://data.whicdn.com/images/50451811/original.jpg

So, is it possible ? (cause, even with the picture, I can't tell exactly which floyd is this, don't have enough knowledge on the subject yet)

As well, could anyone help me answer to those questions about my guitar ?
About the bridge : is it Recessed? Top Mounted? Does the plate bottom out before the block?

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

I will also add that if you install a trem-setter you can still operate in full floating mode with no tuning issues when you go to drop -D. I have one installed in a DBZ Barchetta and it works perfectly.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

Great idea !
Then I have 2 questions :
1- Is the trem-setter basically the same than the Goldo Blackbox ?
2- Can I still do the "vibrant" effect of the floyd that occurs when you "hit" the floyd squeal sense ? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUWDguE3lLg 3:22 effect)
Cause I just read somewhere that with the Blackbox, you can't do this anymore (cause it "tightens" the floyd)

 

[Gtrjunior]

EVH D tuna, questions

Up until now I’d never heard of the black box, so I really can’t compare.
The tremseter has a definite “middle” position that it defaults to. If you were depress and raise the bar you can feel a definite notch that acts as the set point.
Tomorrow, I’ll check if you can do the flutter effect. I’m not 100% sure. I’m going to guess that you can’t but I’ll double check and post.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

Appreciate it man

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

Ok, so I just went and checked it out.
Well, it still kinda does the flutter effect but because the tremsetter basically creates the zero position (not sure exactly what it’s called) it pretty much kills the flutter rather quickly. A regular floating trem will obviously flutter for a couple of seconds longer.
But for me, the option of having a drop-D setting outweighs the lack of a flutter. I don’t use the trem all that much anyway.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

Thats my hesitation right now

I understand your point of view, but as a composer, I hate the idea of being "limited"
What I mean is, if I want to use a flutter effect (thanks for the term), it'd rather be a hell of a good flutter effect.
Even if, I agree, we don't use it everyday
(what's your style of playing anyway ? what do you play usually ?)

But I don't wanna be limited by any device.

Plus, when I'm using the Drop D, it's generally for rythm purpose. I usually play my solos in standard (or half step / full step down...)

Then I think the best option for me is the Tremol-no. When I use the drop D, I'm in Dive Only.
When I want to solo, I go to standard with setting the tremol-no on floating again.

I think I can also tune my guitar on half step down / full step down using the tremol-no on fixed position.
Do you confirm that ?

 

[Gtrjunior]

EVH D tuna, questions

I mostly play rock and hard rock from the 70’s to present. I play a Splawn Quickrod if that gives you an idea of the type of tone I like.
I have a Tremol-no installed in my Ibanez 7 string. It has an Edge trem so the D-Tuna wont work on that guitar. I don’t play the 7 all that much but I routed out a rectangular opening in the trem cover so I can change settings on the fly. Right now it’s in hard tail mode.
The tremol-no might be a good option for you. You’ll be able to have the best of all worlds that way.

Yes, I believe you should be able to retune your guitar from standard to half step down using hard tail mode as you described.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

I have another interrogation, actually.

Does the floyd on full floating mode will still be on full range on my beast, after installing the D Tuna ?
here's the image again http://data.whicdn.com/images/50451811/original.jpg

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

What I mean by my interrogation about the d tuna higher, is, with the d tuna installed, will my floyd still go on squeal sense without the d tuna stopping it by hurting the body ?
Hope it makes more sense

 

[Gtrjunior]

EVH D tuna, questions

What I mean by my interrogation about the d tuna higher, is, with the d tuna installed, will my floyd still go on squeal sense without the d tuna stopping it by hurting the body ?
Hope it makes more sense

I can’t answer that 100%. It depends on your guitar. On my DBZ I had to rout some of the wood away to allow it to be fully pulled up.

If you want i can snap a pic or 2 if that helps so you can see what I did with it. It might give you a better idea/answer to your questions.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

Strange, one of my messages disappeared !
I post it back :

To present ? I do know alot of 70s and 80s rock fans, but I'm interested to knowing what you're thinking about with the "present" rock, hard rock, as I'm alot into 90 / 2000 "underground" alt rock which not that popular
But here's something you'll surely like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxQzIPrNapo

Back to our initial subject,
It's great that you're a tremol-no user, so you really know what you're talking about
So it has no impact to the vibrato in floating mode, right ?
And once locked, it REALLY locks the vibrato ?

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Yes I want a pic man that'll be great.
I gave you a pic in one of my posts of the beast too, maybe you can tell me if I have to do that by seeing it ?

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

Here’s the DBZ:
You can see that the EVH is longer than the Floyd studs. So you need extra clearance with a recessed bridge like this. That’s why I notched it out.

Here’s the dremeled out cover plate on the Ibanez with the th Tremol-no:

And just for reference my Strat. Which has the Floyd laying flush on the body. Dive bomb only.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

OMG you did that, man
I have a recessed bridge too I think, in my beast...
Without the hole, it really can't go far ?

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

What you can do is install the EVH, it should fit as long as the Floyd studs have a decent clearance. Or block the trem so the studs are in a raised position. The EVH stud is thicker than the Floyd studs as you can see. Maybe 2x thicker(?). Then I would pull up on the bar and see if it hits the back of your guitar. I’m pretty sure it will in your case. Then if you need to, use a dremel with a large rounded tip and REALLY slowly start at the edge of the trem cavity and gently remove the material. Go extra slow so you don’t crack the finish.
I went a bit further than the EVH stud so I could get my fingers in there to set the d-tuna in the appropriate position.
Afterward I just used a black sharpie to color in the bare wood. If you look closely at the DBZ pic you can see it’s not perfect but it works just fine.

 

[Gtrjunior]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

I just looked at the pic of your guitar again....the d-tuna is absolutely do-able for you. You might, just might have to remove a little bit of material to get the full upwards pull you’re looking for.

 

[Alter]

Re: EVH D tuna, questions

It is well done, but maybe a little weird for me I have to say
But it's not a bad idea at all !
The cut backward is good tho

My guitar is not between my hands, neither do the d tuna. But I'll think about it and make a decision

Appreciated your help dude

Have you listened to what I've sent you ?