Fender amp matching.

wanmei1

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I came across the following comments by a pickup maker that I thought some of you guys might find interesting.

" Really though, if you listen to old Fender amps, like a Tweed Deluxe for example, when you plug in a Tele or a Strat and crank it up, it will sound fat and really detailed at the same time. Plug a Les Paul in and it gets overly muddy and distorted – maybe you like that, but it makes it really hard to hear what you’re playing from the audience’s perspective. A better Fender amp for a Les Paul would be a Super Reverb – much less midrange from the amp. Your Les Paul already has plenty of mids, so why add more to muddy up the tone? Also, the Super Reverb has more treble available, which humbuckers often lack, plus the amp can handle the extra bass the humbucking pickup generates, so it stays tighter and clear on the bottom.

The number one rule of thumb is don’t overload the amp too much. Everyone likes at least a little distortion, but if you go too far it becomes muddy. I see a lot of guys in clubs, usually humbucker players, that need to turn the bass down on the amp, turn the volume down a notch because they have a little too much distortion and bass to be heard clearly, and turn the reverb down because there is too much hashing. My idea behind pickup design is if you can’t get a good clean tone, you won’t get a good distorted tone. "
 
Re: Fender amp matching.

What a load of crap...

LOTS and LOTS of guys use a Tweed Deluxe with bucker loaded guitars and get great sounds, far from "overly muddy and distorted"...

This sounds like a guy that really wants to push his personal taste on everybody...

Use YOUR ears to decide if it's good or bad...if you like then it's good...
 
Re: Fender amp matching.

All good things to keep in mind, but I think it applies to all amps - not just Fender. As for the humbucker thing, that's why amps come with knobs to adjust the EQ, at least one ;).
 
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the thing with bass and distortion is that you don't want to have too much bass before the distortion occurs, as distorted bass sounds muddy. Higher gain amps tend to cut the bass at the input and use post distortion EQ to bring it back. Those fenders have EQ right at the front after first gain stage so if you can either make it either muddy or thin, since you have no EQ after the distortion...
Enter Mesa Mark series :) They have the same topology but with graphic EQ after all gain stages, that's the ultimate versatility.
Cheers
 
Re: Fender amp matching.

the thing with bass and distortion is that you don't want to have too much bass before the distortion occurs, as distorted bass sounds muddy. Higher gain amps tend to cut the bass at the input and use post distortion EQ to bring it back. Those fenders have EQ right at the front after first gain stage so if you can either make it either muddy or thin, since you have no EQ after the distortion...
Enter Mesa Mark series :) They have the same topology but with graphic EQ after all gain stages, that's the ultimate versatility.
Cheers

Where do you get this information?
 
Re: Fender amp matching.

i've always enjoyed single coils thru Fender amps... Leo just seemed to make his amps for his guitars... but a Les Paul can sound good too.... :)
 
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Where do you get this information?

I've been into amp making for a few years now and I'm currently working on a mark IIc+ kind of preamp (will post report when it's done) so I've read quite a lot on the subject...
That being said I never said anything about combinations mentioned here, it's just a general thing...LP don't have very muddy pickups IMO...
 
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Well, early Fenders amps were designed to go along with the Fender guitars, which had single coils. It makes sense that they sound clearer, more detailed, better, etc. (however you want to describe it). I wouldn't even put it past Leo Fender to tweak some components so that it sounds a bit muddier/bassy with a Gibson.

Gibsons/buckers can sound good with an amp like a Tweed Deluxe, you just have to manipulate the vol/tone controls on both the amp and guitar to get it to sound good.

I also think this pickup maker is using the exact same settings on the amp with both guitars, which we all knows doesn't make a good sound on the second guitar.
 
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