Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

Monsta-Tone

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I have a Blues Deluxe Re-Issue in my shop that is driving me crazy! I've worked on thousands of amps over the last 13 years and I've never had one make me as angry as this one......

It came in sounding like a blown speaker. The sound was farty and an open low E string made the entire amp buzz like a table saw with the blade stuck in a piece of ironwood.
I was tired (burned out on repairing amps....) and didn't try a different cabinet.
I swapped the speaker without trying tubes or any other standard troubleshooting.......My bad!
I changed the junk stock speaker (which looked very new) for an old Celestion/Mesa Black Shadow that I had laying around.
I also tightened up all of the baffle screws and chassis screws.

I checked the bias just to make sure the amp was running the way it was supposed to. Bias was correct in both power tubes.

The sound was still there, but not nearly as prevalent. Back to the drawing board.....
I started swapping tubes.
The PI was bad, when it was replaced with a new JJ, the amp suddenly had twice the volume!
Unfortunately, this did not remove all of the buzz, but it did help.

I swapped the other preamp tubes, one at a time. This did nothing for the noise.
I swapped in a new set of power tubes and biased the amp up again. This did nothing for the noise.

I ran the amp through an external cabinet and the blown speaker noise is still there! Not nearly as bad, but I couldn't believe my ears.

I placed my hand on top of the amp cabinet (right above the power transformer) and noticed that it was vibrating like crazy.
Then, I noticed that the power transformer is dead silent when the amp is in Standby. When I turn the amp off of Standby, the transformer starts vibrating like one of those beds you put a quarter in at a cheap motel.
Or....like the way an airplane feels the second before it starts taking off, when the engine is revved up and the brakes are still on.


I have never seen this type of problem before. I try very hard not to work on modern Fender or Marshall amps though. Nothing personal, but I would much rather have my hands in a Mesa or Rivera or Vintage Fender.
I don't fix amps for a living anymore, it's more of a make ends meet type of thing when my contracting business is slow.


Basically, what I think is happening is that the power transformer is inducing vibrations into the signal path. Maybe a cheap filter cap or something is a little loose inside.
I wanted to see if anyone else has had this issue, and how it was resolved.

Days like this make me very happy that the contracting business is picking up again......
 
Re: Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

There are always lots of possibilities when trouble-shooting via The Internet, but...
...Have you checked the PT bolts to the chassis, and the bolts/screws that hold the lams together.?
If the lams are loose, they can vibrate in a bad way.
It is a pretty easy test, and will at least get one more item off the check list.
IF that is OK, and all "normal" voltages are present, I would be tempted to work your way forward (or backwards) on the B+ rail. Maybe lift the B+ nodes one at a time and see if the vibrating stops at one point or another.....
best
 
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Re: Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

Same here !

Bad sound. One of the PI plate resistor was bad (infinite value), so I changed it (in fact, I changed both PI plate resistor with 1W resistor) and I thought it was done !

Unfortunately, huge hum (50Hz I think, as I'm in France) !

I changed the PI tube with a new one (pulling the PI tube kills the hum), checked the solder connections ... hum still there :15:

Still working on it ...

EDIT : it seems that PI tube is pulling some hi voltage into the heater circuit ... bad tube socket ? Or bad ref to ground ... I’ll check R80 R81
 
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Re: Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

One of the chronic problems those amps experience is the positive lead coming loose on the filter caps. The result is usually a low frequency oscillation if it's one of the preamp caps. I usually give the positive lead on each one a tug with my needlenose pliers to see if they are secure...they will pull right out of the body of the cap if they aren't. The Illinios (IC) caps of that era were problematic.
 
Re: Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

Thanks glassman !

Caps have already been changed in the past, but I have to check / replace : C41 and C42 are in series with 90% of voltage across C42 and a few volts at C41 pins :-/

Anyway, I have to resolder ribbon cable (bad ground contact) ... pain in the neck.

New day, rested, let’s go !

;-)
 
Re: Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

Had a similar thing once on an valvetronix VTX60, turned out is was a bad contact/broken solder joint on one of the caps, I think I noticed because I shook the PC-board to see if anything would move, and sure enough a cap (I at least think it was) moved. Resoldered it, and it worked like a charm again.
 
Re: Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

OK, it works now.
Done : 2 PSU caps + PSU 220k resistors changed, PI plate resistors changed and « ribbon cable » resoldered (bad ground connection, bad ref for heater circuit to ground and so on ...)
Pfiouuu !
;-)
 
Re: Fender Blues Deluxe Re-Issue - Help Needed Please!

OK, it works now.
Done : 2 PSU caps + PSU 220k resistors changed, PI plate resistors changed and « ribbon cable » resoldered (bad ground connection, bad ref for heater circuit to ground and so on ...)
Pfiouuu !
;-)
Hi

Excuse me can you let me know what caps and resistors did you change>>???

I have the same problem

thank you
 
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