Fender Hot Rod Deluxe

Koreth

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So, as my normal amp is presently out of commission, the other guitarist in my band let me borrow his Fender Hot-Rod Deluxe. I was actually surprised how well I liked it, and figured I'd share my thoughts and impressions with y'all.

Not sure if it's a three channel design or a two channel with a built in boost, but either way, it works, and can get clean light breakup sounds and a heavier rock distortion. The cleans are well...it's a Fender, does anything more need to be said? I know Fenders are reknown for their clean tones, and why was refreshed for me. I thought I was getting a nice clean out of my Mesa. I will not hesitate to say that the Fender is noticably better. Big and deep without getting muddy or unclear, and sparkly clear bright highs. I'm going to have to spend some more time with my Mesa's clean channel when I get it back from the shop.

However, with only 40W out of a pair of 6L6GCs into a single 12" speaker...headroom? What headroom? From 0 to 2 on the volume control the loudness ramps up very quickly. After 2, the power tubes start to break up. I can't help but wonder if the volume pot is a linear pot instead of a logarithmic taper pot like a volume should be. Either way, I didn't spend much time with power tube distortion as the amp had to get loud to do so. But it is undeniably a cool sound. I was thinking to myself. "Ooh, that could make for some *really* cool edge-of-breakup overdrive sounds. But that's not what I was looking for. My other major gripe is the shared EQ between the channels/modes. IMO, that sorta thing makes it difficult to dial in the ideal clean, drive and boosted drive all at the same time and forces a compromise. Maybe I'll get better at compromising while my Mesa's in the shop, but I miss independent EQ on each channel already.

The Drive channel can actually do some decent distortion sounds, but it doesn't get heavy enough for my tastes. Nor does it get quite tight enough. The low end sounded and felt...chewy for lack of a better word. An overdrive pedal as a boost does help to tighten things up, but its still not quite the sound I'm looking for in a heavy distortion for chuggy rhythm or for lead work. I suspect the lack of tightness in the low end was because the power tubes were just barely starting to break up. If the Deluxe had maybe a little more headroom, it could get a little heavier and stay a little tighter. All in all, not a bad sound, just not my sound. And yet, despite all that, I still sounded exactly like me. There's a lesson in there somewhere...

Either way, I figure I can turn this to my benefit. If I can tighten up my playing so I can sound heavy with not enough gain while my Mesa's in the shop, I should be able to get some better sounds out of the Mesa once it's repaired.
 
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From 0 to 2 on the volume control the loudness ramps up very quickly. After 2, the power tubes start to break up. I can't help but wonder if the volume pot is a linear pot instead of a logarithmic taper pot like a volume should be.
The master on the drive channel is a linear pot. People stick a volume box in the loop to fix it. Some people change to pot but to get to it you've got to take a lot of stuff apart.

I love that amp. The cleans are killer. I wonder what it'd be like with a tube rectifier? It'd also be sweet with some good old stock tubes. I'd buy a HRDx but I couldn't crank it very often, and I already have a good amp that isn't as loud. Plus I'm gonna move into an apartment in a few months... maybe I should buy one to keep at my mom's house? She's got a marshall haze 40 combo, the HRDx's british half-brother. Have you tried the Haze combo yet? it's got a similar feel, but on that amp it's the distortion that's a lil better than its cleans.

I'm not too fond of the boost function on the HRDx drive channel but I haven't fiddled with that function too much. It'd be easier to experiment if the volume didn't go from 0-60 in 4 seconds.

I like the reverb a lot, too. Best onboard reverb I've ever tried besides the twin reverb RI and I've heard of people swapping reverb tanks and having it get even better.
 
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I had a Hot Rod Deville 2x12 a number of years ago and that amp made my ears bleed. Built like a tank.
 
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I've tried to bond with the HRDx...but it's too mushy in the bass, and the highs are way too strident for me. I'd rather have the Bandmaster VM with it's close back 2x12 cab, which tightens things up and lets the distortion tones spread out over two speakers...much better sound for me.

For more tightness in the bass and even more gain, I'd look into a SuperSonic. Best amp Fender's cooked up in a few years.
 
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I had a Hot Rod Deville 2x12 a number of years ago and that amp made my ears bleed. Built like a tank.

Yep, just get a Deville and a pedal.

I have a 410 waiting on a Weber 15 I use for light breakup sounds and use a pedal or the guitar volume to get heavier or cleaner, and it works pretty well.

If you just wanted to run it all clean with pedals you also could with some different preamp tubes
 
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I've tried to bond with the HRDx...but it's too mushy in the bass, and the highs are way too strident for me. I'd rather have the Bandmaster VM with it's close back 2x12 cab, which tightens things up and lets the distortion tones spread out over two speakers...much better sound for me.

Old stock tubes and a better speaker would solve the strident highs problem, maybe? I'd say add an extension cab with another good speaker and you'd have something pretty decent. HRDxs can thankfully be had cheap on the used market and eminence makes some inexpensive but still pretty good speakers that would seem to fit the bill. Swamp Thang or Red White & Blues.

also, I'm sure the VM's got a better drive channel. It's just a newer design and a different circuit. They had a lot of feedback from the HRDx to work off of. but my hunch is that people who buy the HRDx don't buy it for the dirt channel. So how does the Vm's normal channel compare to the HRDx's normal channel, when they're both cranked?
 
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Old stock tubes and a better speaker would solve the strident highs problem, maybe? I'd say add an extension cab with another good speaker and you'd have something pretty decent. HRDxs can thankfully be had cheap on the used market and eminence makes some inexpensive but still pretty good speakers that would seem to fit the bill. Swamp Thang or Red White & Blues.

also, I'm sure the VM's got a better drive channel. It's just a newer design and a different circuit. They had a lot of feedback from the HRDx to work off of. but my hunch is that people who buy the HRDx don't buy it for the dirt channel. So how does the Vm's normal channel compare to the HRDx's normal channel, when they're both cranked?

You can get a stout crunch tone from the clean side that's not as glassy, to me. Maybe it is the speaker in the HRDx, but there's just this high end harshness that I can never dial out of one. I'd say the VM is much smoother and would end up making my ears less fatigued after a show.



The 2x12 closed back on the Bandmaster was the ticket for a smoother tone than the Deluxe VM, I think. Still, I could dial out most of the harshness from the Deluxe VM that would persist in the HRDx.
 
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I have and run a 60 Watt Blues DeVille 4 x 10. (Non HDX ,1995)
I often run a 2x12 Ampeg cab closed back, underneath her for depth. (Celestion V-30's)
Sometimes pairing that setup with a UniVibe , Morley Vol-Dis-Wha, CS3 , split at a DD-5,, run with a DSL 100 halfstack. (1998) . With my Strat, it makes for some very convincing Trower tones.. ;)
A good friend uses a Blues Deluxe (Non HRX) It also sounds great with my 2 x 12, but his is also an origional, and I dont see an external speaker jack on it..
A friend of his was interested in a DeVille, so I brought it out for him to demo..
Befor he started I had to tell him,, "If you are at all intimidated by loud noises or volume, you probebly wont like the amp,, mine sings best at knob twist above 4, most real tube amps do, but if you willing to crank it and let it sing, it has some of the sweetest sounds out there"..
Mine likes a CS3 , TS9 or an MT2 for dirt..
One thing for sure,, with a Fender you can allways add a pedal for grit,, but it is kinda tough ,to add one to a Marshall for clean..;) My DSL has one of the best Clean channels I have herd on a Marshall,, But it still is not a Fender clean.. ;)
I often run Blues Jr when I want to crank an amp without wall shaking volumes...
Wich has led me to a desire to pick up a 22 Watt 65 Deluxe Reverb RI..
In researching the Deluxe Reverb I come across this amp..
And it definetly has me reconcidering.. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7_T48W5vB0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGVXO9G8T9k&feature=related
( But do I really need another 60 watt amp? :( )
I would be tempted to run my DeVille with it ,useing the Supersonic's preamp out.. :naughty:

I have played my friends Blues Deluxe a bit over the years,, with good tubes and a decent pedal or two, it is a decent amp..:cool2:
 
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