FRED magnet swap

appar111

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Well, after deciding to put up my PAF Pro and FRED last night in the trading post because neither were really doing it for me in the mongrel (alder dual HB tele body, single 500K vol pot, gibson 3-way toggle, strat hardtail bridge and neck), I decided to do a couple things.

First was to mess with the pickup height of the PAF Pro in the neck. I got it to sounding much better by raising the pickup up a couple turns and raising the polepieces about half a turn. Fat, articulate, organic, yet has some cut. Responds well to picking dynamics. I knew there was a reason I liked this in the strat I sold last year. Problem is, the FRED sounded anemic by comparison, and this is with the FRED as close to the strings as I could get away with.

So the second thing I did was ask myself "what would Blueman335 do?" Easy! Magnet swap. So I grabbed the first magnet I had in the parts drawer; a ceramic magnet I pulled out of a Duncan Custom when I decided to turn it into a Custom 8.

A couple things about this particular FRED. It seems to be an older one, as the baseplate screws are slotted rather than philips head. Also, it has paper tape on it rather than the cloth tape Dimarzio usually uses. This leads me to believe that at some point it's had a magnet swap.

I loosened the baseplate screws and with almost no effort at all, the magnet slid right out, which is the 2nd thing that leads me to think it had been magnet swapped at some point. No markings on the magnet, so I can only assume it's the stock A5.

Popped the ceramic in it, strung 'er back up and decided to see what happened. Gained some oomph and sounded a little more pissed off than before-- which are two things I wanted to gain from the swap. It's slightly harsher now, which is to be expected-- the typical "ceramic-ness". Seems to have gained some qualities of both a Super Distortion (that swell after hitting a big barre chord) and the Evolution (tight, more compressed), but still cleans up really well since the FRED's not wound that hot too begin with.

I like the change-- an improvement for me in this particular guitar over the stock (?) magnet.

Since I'm at home sick today and have the time, I'm thinking of putting the ceramic magnet back in the Custom and putting the A8 in the FRED instead. I liked what the A8 did for the ceramic Custom, so it should provide the same improvements to the "FRED C".
 
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So the second thing I did was ask myself "what would Blueman335 do?" Easy! Magnet swap.

Actually, Blueman did a pot swap on his 2 Freds (one in an LP, the other in an SG). For me 250K's gave it enough warmth & mids. I like it just like that. Good PU.
 
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A Fred 8 should be great. I have an old Fred and it has a double-tall Alnico 5 magnet in it. That's the best sounding Fred I've heard over the years so I've kept it around. This thread makes me want to try a Norton 8
 
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Actually, Blueman did a pot swap on his 2 Freds (one in an LP, the other in an SG). For me 250K's gave it enough warmth & mids. I like it just like that. Good PU.

I was going to try that, but I've tried the PAF Pro in the neck before with 250K pots and it sounds a little muffled to me, so I thought I'd try some magnet swaps instead. This way I could keep the PAF Pro sounding how I like it, but still fatten up the FRED. That's the compromise on a single knob guitar I suppose.

What pickups do you have in the neck position on those guitars?
 
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I was going to try that, but I've tried the PAF Pro in the neck before with 250K pots and it sounds a little muffled to me, so I thought I'd try some magnet swaps instead. This way I could keep the PAF Pro sounding how I like it, but still fatten up the FRED. That's the compromise on a single knob guitar I suppose.

What pickups do you have in the neck position on those guitars?

In the LP, I have a Fred/Bluesbucker, which is a great combo. Warm & powerful, with enough bite & crunch. In the SG is a Fred/PAF.
 
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It's weird how the Fred/PAF Pro combo didn't sound as balanced as I thought it would. The PAF Pro in the neck just sounded more powerful, even after adjusting the pickup height down. By the time I got it down low enough to balance w/ the Fred at the Bridge, it didn't sound good... sounded too underpowered.

Odd since the Fred/PAF Pro combo was Satch's setup for the longest time.
 
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PAF Pro has almost as much output as the Fred. (305mv Fred, 300mv PAF Pro.) He probably had it lowered into the guitar a bit.

From Dimarzio:

We designed FRED® to bump the mid-range of the PAF Pro® EQ up a notch, but in the process, something unusual happened. Harmonics that humbuckers usually don’t reproduce started popping out, particularly with overdriven amps and distortion units. FRED® has about the same power as the PAF Pro®, but the unusual overtones create a sound with more crank and growl. Joe Satriani was the first player to discover and exploit these qualities, and it’s been his main bridge pickup ever since. FRED® is really sensitive to changes in pick attack and control settings, and its distinctive tone makes a great recorded sound for both penetrating solos and tight rhythm tracks.
 
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Dominus-
Yep, I had the Fred up close to the strings and the PAF Pro noticeably further away, and it was still louder than the Fred. I lowered it to where it was just a hair below the height of the pickup ring itself before it balanced with the Fred. The Fred is in a tall pickup ring at the bridge, and the PAF Pro is in a short ring at the neck position.

I'll be swapping the ceramic for an A8 here in another hour or so. If it doesn't wow me, then I'll just put the A8 back in the Custom and put that in the bridge. If the Fred doesn't sell, I may stick it in the neck position next time I change strings.
 
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UPDATE: the A8 magnet swap was a great success! It sound alot better than the ceramic magnet did. Definitely kicked things up a notch in output, tightness, fullness-- you name it. I even like it better than the Custom 8.

Overall, a much better match for me with the PAF Pro in this guitar than the stock FRED was.

I think the misconception I had was that the stock FRED's different tonal response would make it seem louder than the PAF Pro, but in this guitar, it really doesn't. Good to know that the A8 saved the day!
 
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UPDATE: the A8 magnet swap was a great success! It sound alot better than the ceramic magnet did. Definitely kicked things up a notch in output, tightness, fullness-- you name it. I even like it better than the Custom 8.

Overall, a much better match for me with the PAF Pro in this guitar than the stock FRED was.

When you have a bridge PU that needs more mids and output, & a tighter low end, A8's can be very handy. Hard to believe that only a couple years ago A8's were considered pretty extreme and of very limied use. Now they're commony used on this forum in HB's and P-90's. We've come a long a way.
 
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not surprising that a neck PAF pro would overpower a bridge FRED; the FRED has 1 PAF pro coil and 1 'fred' coil so would likely sound comparitively weaker in the same slot, let alone in the (louder) neck slot, with the 2 different coils.

are these double-thick alnico mags avaiable anywhere other than old-school dimarzios?
 
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