Full Shred Set vs Full Shred Neck/'59 Bridge

ryanpullin

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I was wondering if anyone has tried this specific comparison back to back, or at least tried a 59 in the bridge with a full shred neck. I've wanted to try the full shred recently, as the more I've tried different kinds of humbuckers from different manufacturers, I realize it's probably my ideal neck pickup.

I'll admit, I'm pretty naive to specific pickup technicalities and that DC resistance isn't the sole factor in "output". The 59 Bridge and the Full Shred Neck, DC resistance wise, are pretty similar in the range I would see DC resistance ratings for boutique pickup sets (8.2k bridge/7.5k neck seems like a reasonable expectation from my experience). I know the Full Shred bridge is rated at 14.1k and I wondered about that disparage between the two. Made me curious if the '59 may be a closer match to dynamics and output at its lower rating.

If anyone has any input on this pair, I'd really appreciate it.
 
Keep in mind that a 59 has more bass than the Full Shred, which is the biggest and most dramatic difference. Of course the FS has more output, but you don't have that 'thwack' of the bass frequencies. So it is more a question of what your guitar needs.
 
Keep in mind that a 59 has more bass than the Full Shred, which is the biggest and most dramatic difference. Of course the FS has more output, but you don't have that 'thwack' of the bass frequencies. So it is more a question of what your guitar needs.

Would you say the 59 in the bridge is typically too bassy for a full shred neck, then? I know there's a lot of factors that go into it that I'm more than likely overgeneralizing. I tend to put more of an emphasis on having a good matched set versus two pickups that are wildly different from one another.

As for what the guitar needs, I guess I tend to just gravitate towards the tone of single coils over humbuckers, so sometimes I think I'm just aiming my humbucker style guitars to have more "clarity" especially in the low end. Seems to me more often that I'm underwhelmed with how humbuckers respond with lots of effects or compression versus my single coil guitars. I get that general experience with almost every humbucker equipped guitar, so I think I'm trying to find some cure-all set to throw in my humbucker guitars.

Caveat to that, I do own an Ibanez AS83 with the Super 58 pickups and I think that's one of my favorite humbucker sounds yet. It's almost single coily but has that compression to it. Maybe I should just start getting more all-maple semi hollows with humbuckers lol.


Not a full Shred owner...but what guitar and what do you want to do with it?
As I mentioned above, I think I'm more looking for some kind of cure all set. I've got a few humbucker equipped guitars (styles range from Les Paul, Iceman, V, Explorer, etc.) and I tend to get a similar experience with all of them. I think I'm really going for that "single coil clarity" while retaining that compression characteristic I feel with humbuckers.
 
I don't think a 59 is too bassy, but it is a very differently EQ'd pickup than the FS. You might like the EQ difference, and hate the bass of a neck position humbucker, but like it in the bridge. Personally, I like more balanced pickups. You may also consider the Jazz set for 'single coil clarity' without the compression of a higher output pickup like the FS.
 
Could be cool. One option gives you modern neck, vintage bridge. The other is modern for both positions. I don't think there will be a huge difference especially if you are playing with dirt.

One will sound like your guitar with the two positions, the other will sound a little more like two guitars. Could be great, could be not great. Given the two choices I'd say go with the matched set and then adjust from there if you don't dig it. Just a more cohesive solution.
 
Not the most obvious of comparisons

any reason why these 2?

Kinda falls back into my want to have a clearer neck with a somewhat similar but thicker bridge tone. I know there's a lot more factors that go into it, but I've been kinda curious about these two pickups and how they meld if anyone has tried them.

In a loose comparison, I could see it being a reason why Dimarzio has the Humbucker from Hell. I'm not necessarily opposed to how the bridge pickup sounds but I think the neck could be thinned out a bit.

I don't think a 59 is too bassy, but it is a very differently EQ'd pickup than the FS. You might like the EQ difference, and hate the bass of a neck position humbucker, but like it in the bridge. Personally, I like more balanced pickups. You may also consider the Jazz set for 'single coil clarity' without the compression of a higher output pickup like the FS.

The Jazz is probably the one Duncan humbucker I am the most familiar with, in regards to my experience with the other humbuckers. It was the neck pickup for the first pickup swap I ever did, and I just had a Hot Rodded set in an ESP Eclipse for the last couple years before I sold the guitar. The Jazz was one of those "almost there" kind of pickups but I still felt like the low end was coming through a little too much. What I've read about the full shred, in a general sense, is a "tighter sounding Jazz" so that's why I wanted to give it a try.

I think the Full Shred's comparison to the Jazz Neck made me curious about the combo of a 59 in the bridge with a full shred neck. On paper it sounds like the outputs would work with each other along with having similar EQ characteristics.

That's where the Duncan website somewhat contradicts what you said, as their tone chart graphic shows pretty similar EQ spectrums, with the full shred having less bass as the most prominent difference. I have tried pickups like the Sentient as well, and I seemed to perceive more of a mid focus even though it doesn't come across on paper as such. It's been a while since I've used one though, and it was in a seven string.

Could be cool. One option gives you modern neck, vintage bridge. The other is modern for both positions. I don't think there will be a huge difference especially if you are playing with dirt.

One will sound like your guitar with the two positions, the other will sound a little more like two guitars. Could be great, could be not great. Given the two choices I'd say go with the matched set and then adjust from there if you don't dig it. Just a more cohesive solution.

I definitely agree with the approach of the matched set first and then experiment from there. That was going to be my most likely course of action.

I don't mean this as any sort of attack but more as a personal rant, I suppose: I feel like the "vintage" tone thing tends to get thrown around easily when it's about pickups with lower output and less mids versus higher output and more mids. I don't necessarily see where it would deviate too far from the Full Shred, in regards to the EQ graphic that's provided for both pickups. The 59 is also marketed as a "modern PAF" so where is the line drawn between that being a vintage or a modern pickup?

If the Full Shred is basically a Jazz with allen poles (I could totally be wrong, but this is the general consensus I see about the Full Shred vs Jazz necks, at least), and the Jazz is typically thrown into the same vein with the 59, then I don't necessarily understand the taboo of mixing a full shred neck with something like a 59 bridge. It's an a = b and b = c, so a = c thought process for me.

My opinion is coming from a place of naivety of the complexities of the actual construction of pickups. I understand that certain gauges of wire and screw types are able to affect the string/magnetic field relationship with the guitar, but it's all way over my head at this current date. I'm just trying to make sense of it for my sake.
 
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I love the Full Shred neck. I think the 59 will be a good fit.

I also like single coils and am really into dynamics and hearing the velocity of my notes (punchy lows, attack transients, etc). It's been too long since I played the FS bridge but generally IME, vintage wound humbuckers like around 7-8k dc resistance, have the most dynamic range and most capable of a snappy tone.

So 59, Jazz, WLH, and Seth Lover. However, if price is not an issue, I do love BKP Riff Raff and BKP VHII. They can be very bright though so depends on your guitar, amp, and tastes...
 
Judging solely by the specs, the Humbucker from Hell could be the perfect neck pickup for me. Followed closely by the Jazz and 59n.

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I love the Full Shred neck. I think the 59 will be a good fit. I also like single coils and am really into dynamics and hearing the velocity of my notes (punchy lows, attack transients, etc). It's been too long since I played the FS bridge but generally IME, vintage wound humbuckers like around 7-8k dc resistance, have the most dynamic range and most capable of a snappy tone. So 59, Jazz, WLH, and Seth Lover. However, if price is not an issue, I do love BKP Riff Raff and BKP VHII. They can be very bright though so depends on your guitar, amp, and tastes...
Thanks for the input, man. Sounds like we're on the same page with tone ideals. I had looked at some BKP stuff when I was really searching for some super clear PAFs. I think I looked at the Mule more than anything, but I'll check those out too. They're so many options, and especially into those price ranges I get super picky and don't want to experiment at that level.

You're not helping my confirmation bias lmao. On a serious note, yeah I had checked out the Humbucker from Hell but it seemed like a lot of what I heard, the treble was almost kind of icepicky and scratchy. That's 100% based on YT demoes though, so I take it with a grain of salt. I had considered some Dimarzio options too, especially since I could get double cream coils. I used to have a Crunch Lab/Liquifire set in a Carvin DC727 back in like 2011/2012, and I thought the Liquifire did a really good job of that low end clarity that I am searching for, but it might be a little too mid heavy for what I want now.

I also had an Ibanez ICT700 with the D-activator set in it, and I had planned to use those pickups in a Warmoth build that I never ended up getting together. I sold the pickups too as I assumed they'd be too high output. I notice the D Activator neck tends to get thrown up there with the "brighter" of the DiMarzio neck humbuckers. The ICT700, at the time, was still my perceived "one of the best tones I've ever had" but I am skeptical now thinking back on what I was playing through versus the perspective I've got now.
 
I think I looked at the Mule more than anything, but I'll check those out too. They're so many options, and especially into those price ranges I get super picky and don't want to experiment at that level.

Yah trying out such expensive pickups is painful on the wallet haha. If you're lucky, might find one used for cheaper. Generally they resale relatively timely if you don't like em. BKP does offer swaps IIRC but shipping to UK from, say from the US, is not worth it IMO.

I never tried the Mule but I've been interested. The bridge position seems to have some warm low-mids, scooped center & upper mids, and chimey highs. Not the warmest or chimiest but balanced and well-voiced. Seemed interesting.

Whatever you decide on, let us know how it goes
 
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